What Did President Trump Do Now?

Chula Vista · 02-08-2017, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Better question: Why is this even getting publicity? There are so many more important things to worry about, but once again bullshit petty problems will make the headlines and detract from actual issues.

It's brilliant.

This has the potential to be a big problem if it becomes a habit with any US business who dares blink the wrong way at Trump. Once again "unprecedented.

Lucem Ferre · 02-08-2017, 11:38 PM

So what did Trump do to piss China off? I remember reading about how they said something along the lines of "War with the US is becoming more of a reality" or something.

Chula Vista · 02-08-2017, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

So what did Trump do to piss China off? I remember reading about how they said something along the lines of "War with the US is becoming more of a reality" or something.

China tells Donald Trump, USA to lift its game

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The Global Times, a provocative but state-sanctioned Chinese newspaper, countered that “unless Washington plans to wage a large-scale war in the South China Sea, any other approaches to prevent Chinese access to the islands will be foolish”.

“Tillerson had better bone up on nuclear power strategies if he wants to force a big nuclear power to withdraw from its own territories,” the unbylined opinion piece suggested.

“If Trump’s diplomatic team shapes future Sino-US ties as it is doing now, the two sides had better prepare for a military clash.”

Lucem Ferre · 02-09-2017, 12:04 AM

China says they don't want to either because we all have a lot to lose from it. I hope Trump doesn't see how far he can push them.

Stephen · 02-09-2017, 06:09 AM

Thing that worries me about Trump is if his narcissism clouds his judgement and he decides he's so brilliant he couldn't possibly lose a war things could get real ugly.

Chula Vista · 02-09-2017, 06:21 PM

What did Trump do now? Trump got.....

DENIED

Unanimous decision by the 3 judges. I skimmed over the decision and they make some rock solid arguments, citing points over and over again where the Constitution supercedes a President's power to basically do whatever he wants.

And they list dozens of case law and precedent - which will be difficult for Trump's lawyers since what Trump's trying to do is...... wait for it......

Unprecedented.

**Frownland** · 02-09-2017, 06:23 PM

Got a good source for the decision/arguments? I started reading something on NPR last night and didn't end up finishing it for whatever reason and I'm still pretty unsure of how his order was unconstitutional (even though I vehemently disagree with it).

Anteater · 02-09-2017, 06:27 PM

I don't think his order violates the constitution either. After all, Obama managed to justify a ban of his own for "security" reasons half a decade ago. Regardless of how justified Obama made it seem back then, why weren't the courts up in arms about it?

Chula Vista · 02-09-2017, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Got a good source for the decision/arguments? I started reading something on NPR last night and didn't end up finishing it for whatever reason and I'm still pretty unsure of how his order was unconstitutional (even though I vehemently disagree with it).

Rather long but the conclusions toward the end are really strong.

Full text: 9th Circuit rules against reinstating travel ban - CNNPolitics.com

**Frownland** · 02-09-2017, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

I don't think his order violates the constitution either. After all, Obama managed to justify a ban of his own for "security" reasons half a decade ago. Regardless of how justified Obama made it seem back then, why weren't the courts up in arms about it?

1: That wasn't a travel ban
2: There was an actual event that inspired that inspired the crackdown. Trump's is essentially giving him (or Bannon) 90 days to craft policy that he should have had planned months ago.
3: Two wrongs don't make a right

PS for Chula: the 9th circuit court has more overruled verdicts than any of the other circuits, I wouldn't rejoice yet.

02-09-2017, 06:21 PM	#2016 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	What did Trump do now? Trump got..... DENIED Unanimous decision by the 3 judges. I skimmed over the decision and they make some rock solid arguments, citing points over and over again where the Constitution supercedes a President's power to basically do whatever he wants. And they list dozens of case law and precedent - which will be difficult for Trump's lawyers since what Trump's trying to do is...... wait for it...... Unprecedented. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

02-09-2017, 06:23 PM	#2017 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Got a good source for the decision/arguments? I started reading something on NPR last night and didn't end up finishing it for whatever reason and I'm still pretty unsure of how his order was unconstitutional (even though I vehemently disagree with it). __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

02-09-2017, 06:09 AM	#2015 (permalink)
Stephen I sleep in your hat Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Melbourne, Vic. Aus. Posts: 1,847	Thing that worries me about Trump is if his narcissism clouds his judgement and he decides he's so brilliant he couldn't possibly lose a war things could get real ugly.