What Did President Trump Do Now?

Lucem Ferre · 02-15-2017, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I really think you're missing the forest for the trees on this one. Trump didn't campaign on reinforcing borders. He campaigned on THE WALL.

You remember the rallies, right?

Trump: What are we going to do?
Crowd: BUILD A WALL!!!!!
Trump: And who's going to pay for it?
Crowd: MEXICO!!!!!!

Just because racists support the policy doesn't mean the policy is racist.

Chula Vista · 02-15-2017, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Just because racists support the policy doesn't mean the policy is racist.

Putting the cart in front of the horse, eh?

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Trump didn't campaign on reinforcing borders. He campaigned on THE WALL.

What's the difference? They are literally the exact same thing. It's a campaign tactic, the people at the rally didn't get excited he was building a wall.. They got excited he was building a wall that reinforced a border where most of our illegal immigration comes from.

I'm not supporting him. I'm not saying it wasn't distasteful. I'm saying "improving" our borders to reduce illegal immigration is not racist. I already admitted I'm not sure how much of a problem illegal immigration creates, but the common consensus is that it is a problem, so he took that ideology and built a campaign around it. There is nothing inherently racist about that, regardless if he is a racist, the policy addresses problems with immigration.

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 10:12 PM

Yeh and? You're still addressing Trump. For the last time, I don't care about Trump. I care about policy. Show me how bolstering a preexisting structure, that no one ever thought about before the Trump campaign, is racist.

Chula Vista · 02-15-2017, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Yeh and? You're still addressing Trump. For the last time, I don't care about Trump. I care about policy. Show me how bolstering a preexisting structure, that no one ever thought about before the Trump campaign, is racist.

The WALL had nothing, NOTHING to do with policy. Not once. It'll never get built. It's an impossible engineering feat. The government will never approve the funds. Mexico was never going to pay for it. Trump knew this all along.

For all extensive purposes, every time Trump brought up THE WALL he may have just as well waved a conferderate flag. It was 100% symbolizem from day one. He used it as a totem to galvanize a portion of white America who are pissed off that they are becomming less and less of a majority voice in the country.

Lucem Ferre · 02-15-2017, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

The WALL had nothing, NOTHING to do with policy. Not once. It'll never get built. It's an impossible engineering feat. The government will never approve the funds. Mexico was never going to pay for it. Trump knew this all along.

For all extensive purposes, every time Trump brought up THE WALL he may have just as well waved a conferderate flag. It was 100% symbolizem from day one. He used it as a totem to galvanize a portion of white America who are pissed off that they are becomming less and less of a majority voice in the country.

So you know for a fact that it only appealed to racist America and the people that think illegal immigration is an economic burden didn't support it?

Chula Vista · 02-15-2017, 10:15 PM

Ya, I gotta ask too DWV. Are you simply acting obtuse just to further the conversation?

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...n-racism-power

Lucem Ferre · 02-15-2017, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Ya, I gotta ask too DWV. Are you simply acting obtuse just to further the conversation?

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...n-racism-power

No, you guys just aren't trying to understand him.

The policy is not racist. It appeals to racists, yes, but it also appeals to people that think illegal immigration is an economic burden. Which is where the initial support comes from.

Racists support freedom of speech so they can say what ever racist crap they want. Does that mean everybody that supports freedom of speech is a racist? No.

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 10:18 PM

You guys are so hell bent on smearing shit on everything Trump that you can't objectively distinguish between policy and character.

Can you point to one example in his entire campaign when he called out legal immigration from Mexico? Give me one example, and I'll stfu.

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 10:24 PM

Still attacking Trump.. I'll just keep asking the same question until you admit you don't have an example or come up with another way to show me how the policy/idea(whatever you want to call it) is racist. People have a right to be upset about and criticize illegal immigration without spreading racist ideology.

Can you point to one example in his entire campaign when he called out legal immigration from Mexico? Give me one example, and I'll stfu.

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