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The Batlord · 02-01-2017, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Christianity does not have Sufis, no.

Isn't that just a very obvious technicality?

**Frownland** · 02-01-2017, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Isn't that just a very obvious technicality?

Yes, but I'd go as far as to say that they don't have a Sufi equivalent that's large enough to matter as well.

Also note that I'm just answering your questions, not fulfilling my desire to desire to defend Islam.

The Batlord · 02-01-2017, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Yes, but I'd go as far as to say that they don't have a Sufi equivalent that's large enough to matter as well.

Also note that I'm just answering your questions, not fulfilling my desire to desire to defend Islam.

And unfortunately I don't care enough to pursue this. Damn beer.

**Frownland** · 02-01-2017, 05:41 PM

Sufis rule.

DwnWthVwls · 02-01-2017, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Islam didn't give us great **** but it isn't responsible for bad **** either

Now I get at least part of the reason you don't like Hitchens.

DwnWthVwls · 02-01-2017, 05:57 PM

Religions are as responsible for good stuff and bad stuff just like people. I am

by your broad absolute statement.

The Batlord · 02-01-2017, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Not anymore garbage than the clothes we choose to wear based on culture

Islam didn't give us great **** but it isn't responsible for bad **** either

But it's still a religion based on nonsense, like all religions. And that nonsense has very real cultural implications that are not good. I understand defending Muslims in the face of Muslim hating Western douchebags, but that doesn't make what Islam has done in general any better. It's still an ideology based on the same hatred of other tribes as any other religion based on hating tribes, which is pretty much all religions. Basically I don't support defending laughable bull****, which is what religion ultimately is.

The Batlord · 02-01-2017, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Islam itself has done nothing nor has Christianity or any religion

I agree Tribalism is bad

I'm not out to defend any organized religion as something coherent but it's also pretty much benign

That's retarded. No book has ever done anything to anyone since it's made of non-sentient paper, but the people who read those books torture others with hot pokers in the eye. Separating a book from its readers makes no sense, and separating a religion from the people who read the books associated with that religion is likewise nonsense, cause those people ARE the religion.

The Batlord · 02-01-2017, 06:27 PM

It's really not. Or at least the history of a large enough group of people and their book (Christians, Muslims, etc) is largely the history of that book.

The Batlord · 02-01-2017, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

There are actual ideologies that cause these things where as religion isn't one basically

And religions are ideologies. What's your point? That ideologies are garbage, including Islam? Including Wahhabism, Sunnism, Shiah, Catholicism, Protestantism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc? I agree, despite the potential benefits of these ideologies they are all garbage, or at least have garbage beliefs.

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A world without religion ends up with all the same societal ills and atrocities just maybe the silly hats change

Duh. Ridding the world of religion would only rid the world of an excuse for people to torture and murder each other. But it's still one less excuse.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Sufis rule. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x