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Old 01-29-2017, 11:28 AM   #1611 (permalink)
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Yes, hidden deceptions are very worrying, of course, but they do indicate that politicians feel there's some accountability to the public. There's a limit to what they can get away with, hence the need to hide things.

Some of Trump's announcements remind me of things from Soviet era totalitarianism - that there is no need for the official version to reflect the facts, that factual debate is irrelevant.
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:30 AM   #1612 (permalink)
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Good to see you too! Hope you've been well.

Trump is a typical populist strongman, for better or for worse depending on a multitude of POVs. He acts the way he does because he has no political experience though, as opposed to having an agenda based on hatred. He's going to be an interesting case study four years from now, especially if he decides not to run for re-election.

On another note, seeing CNN and similar news outlets post an upside down statue of liberty was pretty over the top, so I thought I'd share this for something resembling a more balanced perspective on what's happening.

The National Review - Donald Trump's "Muslim Ban" - Seperating Fact From Hysteria
Balance from the National Review. Hilarious.
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:42 AM   #1613 (permalink)
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Balance from the National Review. Hilarious.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. If even NPR can't be bothered to have more than a five second attention span when they discuss breaking news, then that needs to be balanced out with articles like that one that contextualizes what's happening over a broader span of time and several presidencies.
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What qualifies as contextualization seems to depend on the confirmation bias of whoever is reading.
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day. If even NPR can't be bothered to have more than a five second attention span when they discuss breaking news, then that needs to be balanced out with articles like that one that contextualizes what's happening over a broader span of time and several presidencies.
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Why does it? Would it apply if he banned people from Italy?
Ask yourself is Italy a Muslim majority country?
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Ask yourself is Italy a Muslim majority country?
I think you've missed the point to be honest.
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I think you've missed the point to be honest.
Why are you discussing non Muslims? What's your point?
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I'm with DJ on this one. It's pretty clear Trump is not trying to stop immigration per se, at least not yet; he's trying to stop what he sees as a specific religious group or one affiliated with (or believed to be affiliated with) one which promotes terrorism. It's clearly whatever religious profiling would be called - faith profiling? Anyway, it has nothing to do with Italy, France, Germany or Spain (though the last is a historically Muslim country)... it's about what he sees as stopping the spread of "Muslim/Islamist refugees (read, terrorists)" into America and thus keeping her safer.
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