What Did President Trump Do Now?

duga · 01-23-2017, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

A quick thought on the protests in general:

I live in Northeast DC and walked down to the Capitol around 1:30 on Saturday to see what could be seen. I was surprised and pleased to find 600,000 of my closest friends in good spirits, holding clever signs (my favorite was along the lines of 'if I make my uterus a corporation will you stop regulating it?'), and feeling the camaraderie of being surrounded by ideological allies. I saw families, groups of 'frat star' bros, beautiful women, crust punk-types, old people, children, and one guy in a wizard robe. It was truly awesome.

Outside of the violence on Friday (committed by anarchist groups, NOT representative of the anti-Trump protesters) the rally was peaceful, massive, and inspiring. I'm looking forward to the next one - might actually make a sign this time instead of just observing.

There is a world of difference from being a candidate and being the president. He has to either a) follow-through on his promises (the wall, banning immigration from Muslim countries) or b) not follow-through. Either he does a, which appeals to 30% of the voting public (well, that's how many voted for him, it remains to be seen how many of those were pure anti-Clinton votes) and damns him even more in the eyes of everyone else or he does b, in which case 70% of the public still thinks he's an ass, but now he's told lies he can't walk away from and the 30% that voted for him feel betrayed. It's a no-win. If you have another path to a victorious Trump presidency I'm (and I'm guess he is) all ears.

Serious question, do you support a border wall and a ban on Muslim's entering the US?

I attended the inauguration (in protest). It was pretty crazy. My wife went to the women's march (I got sick so I couldn't go) and the difference in the vibe was night and day. The inauguration made it crystal clear the divide we have in our country right now. Protesters were seriously angry (and yes, the ones destroying property were anarchists, not anti-Trump protesters) and supporters looked really confused as they walked by. Like "why are they upset?". I think a lot of them seriously don't understand it. Just like we don't understand them.

I was excited to be a part of something historic...I didn't even get into the mall because protesters were blocking people from getting in at the security checkpoints (before someone makes the argument that this is why the crowd looked thin, there really weren't millions more behind me blocked from getting in. Metro around 9AM was absolutely DEAD). In quite a fitting moment, it started to rain right as Trump started swearing in. It stopped, and Trump said something like "it's because God wouldn't let it rain on the inauguration" (which is something even more scary - I'm seeing more and more religious references. At least before he was just secular crazy. This has got to be an attempt to get the religious right support). Generally, I can safely say no one looked too thrilled (supporters or protesters).

One particularly sad moment came on my way home. The people waiting to get on the metro started shoving their way through the people trying to get off the train. The people getting on were getting annoyed at these people trying to get off and someone made the comment they are "probably democrats". Someone bumped into someone else's wife and the response was "You touch my wife again and I'll ****ing kill you." This is the divide we face right now. Common decency is going out the window.

For the record, if any of you reading this are a tourist and not used to taking a public transportation system - let people OFF before you get ON a bus or train. If you are on an escalator, stand RIGHT and walk LEFT. You will make a lot of people happy.

Trollheart · 01-23-2017, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

For the record, if any of you reading this are a tourist and not used to taking a public transportation system - let people OFF before you get ON a bus or train. If you are on an escalator, stand RIGHT and walk LEFT. You will make a lot of people happy.

This is basic in any country,so I don't think being a tourist is an acceptable excuse. Mind you, even where we know full well how we're supposed to behave, we find idiots doing the pushing and crowding past. Our buses these days are trying to promote the idea of getting on at the front and off through the centre doors (good idea; cuts down on just this sort of thing) but people have yet to get the idea into their heads. Doesn't help of course when you're patiently waiting at the centre doors to be let off and the stupid driver doesn't open them, necessitating a mad rush to the front door before you end up being carried for another stop!

Anteater · 01-23-2017, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

1. I'm pretty sure you mean Reagan, not Clinton.

2. Uh huh. What superior media did you find this out from?

1. Nope, definitely Clinton.

Are the Clintons the real housing crash villains? - CNBC

2. Reuters is defending the photo, but there's no way to verify it. It screams fishy.

Trump supporters claim ‘fake news’ over crowd size with photo evidence | The Mercury

**Frownland** · 01-23-2017, 01:16 PM

1. It's almost like it was an amalgation of several different presidents' policies that created the atmosphere for the recession.

2. It is interesting that only one photo was taken of the inaugural crowd. I noted earlier that this ranks the dumbest hot topic in political media history.

FRED HALE SR. · 01-23-2017, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

1. Nope, definitely Clinton.

Are the Clintons the real housing crash villains? - CNBC

2. Reuters is defending the photo, but there's no way to verify it. It screams fishy.

Trump supporters claim ‘fake news’ over crowd size with photo evidence | The Mercury

The photo was shot earlier in the day. If you take a look at photos shot from the stage out you can see that his inauguration was as large of an audience as previous times.

**Frownland** · 01-23-2017, 02:08 PM

That could be a misleading perspective, js.

And now for some good news (TPP only, not the other two orders mentioned)
Trump signs order withdrawing U.S. from Trans-Pacific trade deal | Reuters

DwnWthVwls · 01-23-2017, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Uh huh. What superior media did you find this out from?

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Originally Posted by elphenor

There's a case to be made that banking deregulations done under Clinton's administration was what made the collapse so bad

But what's described in that article is mostly nonsense trying to find a way to spin a collapse that was caused by a lack of regulation in a period of massive deregulation as somehow caused by gov interference

Is there any sort of economic/political equivalent to scientific peer reviewed articles? How the hell do you find reliable sources for this kind of crap?

**Frownland** · 01-23-2017, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Is there any sort of economic/political equivalent to scientific peer reviewed articles?

My sides!

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How the hell do you find reliable sources for this kind of crap?

You can't. I think the best approach is to look at what's being reported across the board, try to find the origin of the story, and compare it all to affirm whatever idea you already believe.

DwnWthVwls · 01-23-2017, 03:39 PM

Cant say im surprised.

Chula Vista · 01-23-2017, 03:54 PM

Reagan's trickle down economic policies and massive de-regulations of big banks and Wall Street were definitely the main starting point for what cultivated the 2008 collapse. Trickle down was a massive failure a deregulation allowed the banks and brokers to run around like kids in a candy store with a MORE MORE MORE giddy mentality. Clinton and Bush definitely added to things but by then the banks and wall street were not going to stop their evil ways - damn any torpedoes. They have two of the largest, powerful, and influential lobbies in Washington. This is from the 1987 movie Wall Street for anyone not familiar. These were the types on dudes that Reagan empowered while removing any restraint from how they did business.

And this directly related to how the crash went down.

01-23-2017, 01:16 PM	#1254 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	1. It's almost like it was an amalgation of several different presidents' policies that created the atmosphere for the recession. 2. It is interesting that only one photo was taken of the inaugural crowd. I noted earlier that this ranks the dumbest hot topic in political media history. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

01-23-2017, 02:08 PM	#1256 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	That could be a misleading perspective, js. And now for some good news (TPP only, not the other two orders mentioned) Trump signs order withdrawing U.S. from Trans-Pacific trade deal \| Reuters __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

01-23-2017, 03:54 PM	#1260 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Reagan's trickle down economic policies and massive de-regulations of big banks and Wall Street were definitely the main starting point for what cultivated the 2008 collapse. Trickle down was a massive failure a deregulation allowed the banks and brokers to run around like kids in a candy store with a MORE MORE MORE giddy mentality. Clinton and Bush definitely added to things but by then the banks and wall street were not going to stop their evil ways - damn any torpedoes. They have two of the largest, powerful, and influential lobbies in Washington. This is from the 1987 movie Wall Street for anyone not familiar. These were the types on dudes that Reagan empowered while removing any restraint from how they did business. And this directly related to how the crash went down. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”