What Did President Trump Do Now?

Anteater · 01-19-2017, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

The popular vote is comprised of everyone who voted in the entire country, not just California. I'm not sure why this strange notion that somehow it's all California has caught on among conservatives, but it's really dumb.

1. I'm not a Conservative.

2. You would have to be stupid to think that 3 million "extra" votes Hillary got came from some state outside of California or NY.

djchameleon · 01-19-2017, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

2. You would have to be stupid to think that 3 million "extra" votes Hillary got came from some state outside of California or NY.

Or maybe those 3 million votes came from a variety of different states and not only just Cali and NY.

**Frownland** · 01-19-2017, 08:52 AM

She only got 3 million votes?

djchameleon · 01-19-2017, 08:53 AM

3 million more than trump's overall.

Yes.

I should have probably posted this.

http://www.amny.com/news/politics/se...now-1.12789473

There is a section at the bottom with the confirmation hearings but most of them are already done. Only like two left. I wish there was a specific date when we would know they are voting.

Jan. 10-11, 9:30 a.m.: Jeff Sessions, attorney general
Jan. 10, 3:30 p.m.: John Kelly, director of homeland security
Jan. 11, 9 a.m.: Rex Tillerson, secretary of state
Jan. 11, 10:15 a.m.: Elaine Chao, secretary of transportation
Jan. 12, 9:30 a.m.: James Mattis, secretary of defense
Jan. 12, 10 a.m.: Mike Pompeo, CIA director
Jan. 12, 10 a.m.: Ben Carson, secretary of housing
Jan. 17, 2:15 p.m.: Ryan Zinke, secretary of the Interior
Jan. 17, 5 p.m.: Betsy DeVos, secretary of education
Jan. 18, 10 a.m.: Wilbur Ross, secretary of commerce
Jan. 18, 10 a.m.: Scott Pruitt, EPA administrator
Jan. 18, 10 a.m.: Tom Price, secretary of health and human services
Jan. 18, 10:10 a.m.: Nikki Haley, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations
Jan 19, 10 a.m.: Rick Perry, secretary of energy
Jan. 19, 10 a.m.: Steven Mnuchin, treasury secretary
Jan. 24, 10:30 a.m.: Linda McMahon, Administrator of the Small Business Administration

Psy-Fi · 01-19-2017, 08:56 AM

The results of the popular vote by state...

2016 National Popular Vote Tracker (Final)

riseagainstrocks · 01-19-2017, 08:56 AM

The soon-to-be President called a massive news organization a bunch of liars in the middle of a nationally televised press conference. Representative of that organization asks for the opportunity to defend himself (we'll never know, but I suspect it would be to clarify that what they reported was that intelligence officials were briefing Trump on the dossier, as opposed to saying it was true - a distinction that the Brietbarts and Infowars of the world DO NOT make). The President-elect then continues to berate this reporter and calls on his good friends at **** Decency, This is the Internet (outrageous headlines from the President's favorite "journalists") for his next soft-pitch.

This isn't partisan for me. I lean left, but I'm hardly a Hillary or Bernie supporter. If Mike Pence was giving these press conferences he would let the question be asked and if was unfair, he would attack it. This is what rational humans do. Trump is plunging his tiny hands into the body politic, ripping out organs of the state, and severing connections between all the moving parts.

And to rebut Neapolitan's point, there are over 200 million registered voters. For ease of argument, let's say 200 million exactly (source). Donald Trump received 62,979,636 votes (let's call it 63 million - source). Therefore, 31.5% of eligible voters cast their ballots for him. But none of this matters when you look at approval ratings. Your choice goes from this person vs. this person to thoughts on a single person. Approval rating polls are conducted among voters and non-voters, Republicans, Democrats, and others.

What is a fact is that Donald J. Trump has historically low approval ratings for how the transition is being handled (source). Could have something to do with his know-nothing appointments to Housing and Urban Development (1:40-2:00 is a classic gaff, obviously not what he meant, but still), Education (Devoss), and, to a lesser extent, Health and Human Services.

You guys could take the tack of: 'yeah Donald Trump isn't really a Republican or conservative, but he won, so let's be vigilant when he oversteps and make ourselves heard so he shuts down his 3 AM twitter "diplomacy", but overall we need to support the President.' But instead I see a full-throated defense of many of his outrageous statements, actions, contradictions, and tantrums. That, I don't get.

Finally, I've made a couple of thorough responses to several of you in here that have not been replied to. Is MB just a place to make statements and have petty fights? If so, I'll stop attempting actual discourse. Just trying to figure out the how the culture has changed here.

**Frownland** · 01-19-2017, 08:58 AM

My point was that she got 62 million votes, so pinning it all on California is a bit absurd given that we don't have that many people nor do we vote 100% blue (this election, only 60% of Cali voters picked Hillary).

Anteater · 01-19-2017, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

My point was that she got 62 million votes, so pinning it all on California is a bit absurd given that we don't have that many people nor do we vote 100% blue (this election, only 60% of Cali voters picked Hillary).

And my point is that if you took New York OR California out of the equation (or more specifically, Los Angeles and New York City), she wouldn't have won the popular vote at all. There would be no 3 million lead coming from one population center.

While I agree that the Electoral College system has some issues, I also believe that without a winner take all system you'd have a democracy where your vote doesn't really matter if you don't live in one of the two most concentrated population centers in the country. A straight popular vote as our end-to-end election process would be stupid when you have so many different population segments scattered across this landmass...where political affiliation is, for the most part, set in stone already BASED on geographical region or even the city in which you live.

As it is, at least we have a bit more diversity by doing things geographically, because otherwise even a large state like Texas would be marginalized in every future election just because Dallas or Houston don't have the same level of population density as L.A.

**Frownland** · 01-19-2017, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

And my point is that if you took New York OR California out of the equation, she wouldn't have won the popular vote at all. There would be no 3 million lead.

And if we took out Texas Trump would be in the dumps. Your point?

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While I agree that the Electoral College system has some issues, I also believe that without a winner take all system you'd have a democracy where your vote doesn't really matter if you don't live in one of the two most concentrated population centers in the country.

A winner take all system makes every minority vote literally pointless. If we did it by district that would make a lot more sense.

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As it is, at least we have a bit more diversity by doing things geographically, because otherwise even a large state like Texas would be marginalized in every future election just because Dallas or Houston don't have the same level of population density as L.A.

One man, one vote. More people, more votes. It's pretty simple.

Anteater · 01-19-2017, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

One man, one vote. More people, more votes. It's pretty simple.

So are you going to make every person in the country move to L.A. then? Cause if they choose to live anywhere else, their vote will not matter.

Voting by district would make a little more sense though.

01-19-2017, 08:52 AM	#1133 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	She only got 3 million votes? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

01-19-2017, 08:56 AM	#1136 (permalink)
riseagainstrocks Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: DC Posts: 3,320	The soon-to-be President called a massive news organization a bunch of liars in the middle of a nationally televised press conference. Representative of that organization asks for the opportunity to defend himself (we'll never know, but I suspect it would be to clarify that what they reported was that intelligence officials were briefing Trump on the dossier, as opposed to saying it was true - a distinction that the Brietbarts and Infowars of the world DO NOT make). The President-elect then continues to berate this reporter and calls on his good friends at **** Decency, This is the Internet (outrageous headlines from the President's favorite "journalists") for his next soft-pitch. This isn't partisan for me. I lean left, but I'm hardly a Hillary or Bernie supporter. If Mike Pence was giving these press conferences he would let the question be asked and if was unfair, he would attack it. This is what rational humans do. Trump is plunging his tiny hands into the body politic, ripping out organs of the state, and severing connections between all the moving parts. And to rebut Neapolitan's point, there are over 200 million registered voters. For ease of argument, let's say 200 million exactly (source). Donald Trump received 62,979,636 votes (let's call it 63 million - source). Therefore, 31.5% of eligible voters cast their ballots for him. But none of this matters when you look at approval ratings. Your choice goes from this person vs. this person to thoughts on a single person. Approval rating polls are conducted among voters and non-voters, Republicans, Democrats, and others. What is a fact is that Donald J. Trump has historically low approval ratings for how the transition is being handled (source). Could have something to do with his know-nothing appointments to Housing and Urban Development (1:40-2:00 is a classic gaff, obviously not what he meant, but still), Education (Devoss), and, to a lesser extent, Health and Human Services. You guys could take the tack of: 'yeah Donald Trump isn't really a Republican or conservative, but he won, so let's be vigilant when he oversteps and make ourselves heard so he shuts down his 3 AM twitter "diplomacy", but overall we need to support the President.' But instead I see a full-throated defense of many of his outrageous statements, actions, contradictions, and tantrums. That, I don't get. Finally, I've made a couple of thorough responses to several of you in here that have not been replied to. Is MB just a place to make statements and have petty fights? If so, I'll stop attempting actual discourse. Just trying to figure out the how the culture has changed here. __________________ One note timeless, came out of nowhere... Last edited by riseagainstrocks; 01-19-2017 at 09:04 AM.

01-19-2017, 08:58 AM	#1137 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	My point was that she got 62 million votes, so pinning it all on California is a bit absurd given that we don't have that many people nor do we vote 100% blue (this election, only 60% of Cali voters picked Hillary). __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x