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Frownland 04-28-2017 01:04 PM

"I loved my previous life. I had so many things going," Trump told Reuters in an interview. "This is more work than in my previous life. I thought it would be easier."

No matter your opinion on Trump, the bolded is hilariously dumb. Unless Reuters took snippets from a reincarnation debate out of context.

Chula Vista 04-28-2017 01:10 PM

I changed my mind.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/2dfc3369...lphyo1_400.gif

Pretty sure Trump got a boner from his specch in front of the NRA today.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/2dfc3369...lphyo1_400.gif

Pretty sure a bunch of NRA members also got boners.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/2dfc3369...lphyo1_400.gif

Isbjørn 04-28-2017 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1828737)
The same bankers that are writing Trump's budget came begging the gov for a handout in 2008 because they ****ed up

Now they want to strip money from strugglingle single mothers so they can afford another yacht

All must go to gulag

The super-wealthy should have their wealth expropriated with force and dealt with as criminals if they resist. Wealth isn't generated by the wealthy, it's generated by the blood, sweat, tears, pain and debt of billions of people who will never be close to becoming wealthy. Wealth is literally violence.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1828951)
It'd be way more expensive if you want to generate a good upbringing

Foster kids right now overwhelmingly end up back in poverty

And it sounds unbelievably **** for a mother to have her child stripped from her when Daddy loses his job

I'm certain she'd end up traumatized and/or depressed. That would make it even harder to find work, or even apply for it. Sounds expensive and counterproductive.

Anyway, in Norway, you don't receive unemployment benefits unless you're a job-seeker. The Labour and Welfare Administration requires you to actively look for jobs and be willing to accept just about any kind of work, practically anywhere in the country. It's practically impossible to live comfortably off of unemployment benefits, even in Norway. Most people who have to aren't very satisfied about it - this also goes for countries that provide "generous benefits".

Generous benefits do NOT make jobless lazy: Study claims countries with best welfare have the least happy unemployed | Daily Mail Online
"So where are all of these able-bodied lazy adults who are luxuriating off of their benefits? They are a fabrication."

7 Common Myths About People on Welfare - Everyday Feminism

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...-gwb033015.php

Frownland 04-28-2017 01:20 PM

I probably agree with their ideas in those articles, but those aren't very reliable sources.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1828951)
And it sounds unbelievably **** for a mother to have her child stripped from her when Daddy loses his job

Didn't catch this edit. You're strawmanning the scenario, we were discussing the event of people abusing the system, not every single parent who uses government assistance.

Anteater 04-28-2017 01:22 PM

This article. So much. <3

Vice.com - Dislike Trump? Well, Obama Has Always Been Cool with Taking Wall Street Cash

Frownland 04-28-2017 01:23 PM

It's no revelation that, despite the rhetoric, Dems have a long term and passionate romance with Wall Street.

Isbjørn 04-28-2017 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1829041)
I probably agree with their ideas in those articles, but those aren't very reliable sources.

You may be right, I've been hearing bad things about the Daily Mail. I rarely read it. The second one has a clear political agenda (which I'm biased towards). I never heard about the last one before. I didn't think too much about it, I just did a quick Google search and read through a couple of articles I found. I'm sure there are many more reliable sources out there supporting the same claims.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1829045)
It's no revelation that, despite the rhetoric, Dems have a long term and passionate romance with Wall Street.

How about rejecting both the Dems and the GOP? Just a thought.

Chula Vista 04-28-2017 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1829043)
This article.

https://www.vice.com/en_us

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Speaking for money is a very large industry. Many people participate in it—journalists, thinkers, college professors, former politicians, consultants of all stripes. Speaking agents routinely field requests from people who are staging events—for profit, for charity, for client entertainment, for education, for employee morale. Many of us, including me, participate in this economy. The fees range all over the place, but it’s extremely lucrative. It’s harder to make more money legally in an hour than you can giving a speech.

The more in-demand you are, the more someone values your presence, the more tickets a producer might be able to sell, the more clients that might be impressed, the greater the entertainment value, the higher the price your agent commands in the market. And, like sports and other entertainment industries, there is a superstar economy. If you’re a company with $50,000 to spend on a speech, you’ll hire Tom Friedman or Malcolm Gladwell. If you have $5,000 or $10,000, you’ll settle for a less luminous nonfiction writer who is an expert on economic and business topics. But there are only so many ex-presidents. So it’s no surprise that the price corporations will pay for Obama, a popular and highly successful ex-president and one of the best orators of our day, is high. There’s a reason Obama’s asking price is $400,000 and George W. Bush gets about $100,000. It’s also no surprise that a firm working in an industry in which conspicuous consumption is a measure of self-worth was the first out of the gate to book Obama.
Even CNN's Republican pundits Kayleigh McEnany and Paris Dennard agreed last night that this is much ado about nothing, and both would do it for a ton less money.

Grasping at straws 101.

Frownland 04-28-2017 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Isbjørn (Post 1829053)
I'm sure there are many more reliable sources out there supporting the same claims.

I'm sure of it. I'm just not about that bias, ya know.

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How about rejecting both the Dems and the GOP? Just a thought.
Way ahead of ya. I guess I talk more **** on the Dems here because people have the GOP ****-talking taken care of. Plus, a Democrat was at the point of discussion here.

Isbjørn 04-28-2017 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1829063)
I'm sure of it. I'm just not about that bias, ya know.

Obvious bias doesn't really support my point, either. But I doubt that the editors of the Daily Mail share my political leanings.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1829063)
Way ahead of ya. I guess I talk more **** on the Dems here because people have the GOP ****-talking taken care of. Plus, a Democrat was at the point of discussion here.

I wasn't really directing it at you, it was more of a general remark. ;)

Chula Vista 04-28-2017 02:03 PM

To further my point, during Obama's 8 years as President he was a ton more tougher on Wall Street than GWB during his 8 years. He went along with bail outs to fix Bush's wrongs, because every single economic adviser back then were saying that if those firms failed, the entire USA economy would've totally melted down.

He's a private citizen with no power to impact any policy, laws, or influence over Wall Street or big banks. That's Trump's job at the moment. Let's not lose the focus on that.

Private citizen offered $400K to make a speech? No ****ing brainer.

OccultHawk 04-28-2017 02:08 PM

The US government should offer free welfare for life for anyone willing to be sterilized before the age of 20.

Instead of rewarding people for having children they can't afford be proactive to prevent it.

Frownland 04-28-2017 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1829072)
To further my point, during Obama's 8 years as President he was a ton more tougher on Wall Street than GWB during his 8 years.

That bar is so low that it's underground.

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Private citizen offered $400K to make a speech? No ****ing brainer.
No brain is what it takes to think that Obama isn't being a hypocrite here.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 02:24 PM

So basically you're okay with Democrats who make bad decisions starving to death.

Chula Vista 04-28-2017 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1829088)
So basically you're okay with Democrats who make bad decisions starving to death.

What does starving have to due with a political party? Twisted opinion man. You do realize that the vast majority of areas in the USA that are living below the poverty level consistantly vote Republican. Right? And they are also the majority of welfare recipients. (how does this get lost on so many clear thinking people?)

You need a new prescription for your glasses. Or maybe just trim your Okie beard.

Anteater 04-28-2017 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1829060)
https://www.vice.com/en_us

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:



Even CNN's Republican pundits Kayleigh McEnany and Paris Dennard agreed last night that this is much ado about nothing, and both would do it for a ton less money.

Grasping at straws 101.

Except the ****-ups mentioned in the article paved the way for the president you despise to come to power. ;)

You only have yourself to blame for Trump buddy boy, especially since you obviously have nothing to say in regards to Obama's actions with Eric Holder post-bailout.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1829093)
What does starving have to due with a political party? Twisted opinion man. You do realize that the vast majority of areas in the USA that are living below the poverty level consistantly vote Republican. Right? And they are also the majority of welfare recipients. (how does this get lost on so many clear thinking people?)

You need a new prescription for your glasses. Or maybe just trim your Okie beard.

I was mocking him from our discussion earlier. He doesn't like discussing things so now I just say dumb things to get him going and then ignore him.

But to answer your question, absolutely nothing.

Chula Vista 04-28-2017 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1829096)
You only have yourself to blame for Trump buddy boy.

This is akin to you leaving a flaming bag of dog **** at my door and then ringing the bell. I answer the door, stamp out the fire, and then you blame me for having **** on my shoe.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1829097)
But to answer your question, absolutely nothing.

He makes quite a few very sound points. My opinion of your ideolgy has shifted recently so that's as far as I'll go.

Chula Vista 04-28-2017 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1829101)
I'm not sure what the political affiliation of the impoverished has to do with anything tbh Chula

Because Republicans always try to point the blame for welfare and social services at the feet of Democrats. Re-read what DWV posted. He's flat out blaming Democrats for sucking the system.

Frownland 04-28-2017 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1829106)
Because Republicans always try to point the blame for welfare and social services at the feet of Democrats. Re-read what DWV posted. He's flat out blaming Democrats for sucking the system.

YOU read his post again. He never said anything of the sort and even if he did, it's not like the Dems are innocent just because the GOP is worse.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1829106)
Because Republicans always try to point the blame for welfare and social services at the feet of Democrats. Re-read what DWV posted. He's flat out blaming Democrats for sucking the system.

No I'm not lol... I'm flat out making fun of elph for a comment he made earlier about starving children. I just told you that. We have a hate/hate relationship, that works wonderfully well, and no one ever gets actually upset. You should try it.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 03:09 PM

It's really not, it's a bad thing to expect it though.

Key 04-28-2017 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1829132)
It's not a bad thing to need some help from the gov Jesus Christ our culture is trash

It is when the people that get the help are rich white males with no sense of what it means to be depressed or mentally unstable or what it mwas to be poor. But sure, you can ask for help. Just don't expect it.

Chula Vista 04-28-2017 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1829088)
So basically you're okay with Democrats who make bad decisions starving to death.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1829115)
YOU read his post again.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1829116)
No I'm not lol... I'm flat out making fun of elph

I don't take the time to analyze every word of every post leading up to ones I respond to. I guess all of the subtleties of the full exchange escaped me. My bad. I'll pay more attention from now on.

Carry on.

On a side note, why you making so much fun of Elph? He makes great points, although sometimes a bit naively. Ant should be the real target here. If he ruled the world Ayn Rand would be smiling in her grave.

Learning more and more new stuff about members here on a daily basic.

Carry on.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 03:19 PM

Mostly because of the superiority complex, complete lack of real world experience, and lazy posting style. Other than that we cool.

Chula Vista 04-28-2017 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1829142)
Mostly because of the superiority complex, complete lack of real world experience, and lazy posting style. Other than that we cool.

Let's hear about your real world experience? And you come across with a wicked superiority complex too buddy. His posting style is not lazy. Look up the word succinct.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1829141)
To expect the government by the people to actually spend its money on the people?

Everywhere but here it's like common sense

I knew this was coming.. It's absolutely reasonable to rely on your government for things, it's a two way street. I really meant that, it's not always possible for them to help and you should always rely on yourself to get things done before others.

and again you go adding specifics like spending money, which i didn't bring up. You can rely on the government in more ways than financially.

Frownland 04-28-2017 03:23 PM

lmfao

Nobody is intelligent or even a good person unless they're 100% agreeing with you.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1829143)
Let's hear about your real world experience? And you come across with a wicked superiority complex too buddy. His posting style is not lazy. Look up the word succinct.

Do I? I explain my position, ask for people with dissenting opinions to explain their position(which usually leads to personal attacks, strawmen, or goal post moving, or subjective bs I don't have time for), and admit when I am naive to a subject I'm discussing.

What kind of real world experiences of mine would you like to know about? Scraping by with hardly any food, working multiple jobs while attending community college, with no health insurance and paying for rent & car/insurance? Not being able to get a 4 year degree because I couldn't afford it living on my own? Not really sure what you're looking for.. No I don't have as much experience as you, just like elph doesn't have as much as me.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1829146)
Where are you pulling this from

I wasn't aware I occupied the fake world

Please tell me more about my experience and then talk about superiority complexes

Sorry for assuming.. Feel free to tell me about your experiences in life as an independent adult.

Chula Vista 04-28-2017 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1829145)

Nobody is intelligent or even a good person unless they're 100% agreeing with you.

Everyone has a style. It takes a while to establish. It also sucks when you lean on it all the time. Add some substance to the conversation or take your cliche'd responses elsewhere. You've become tired with your predictable crap. "You are obviously inferior to me, therefore I'll point it out as a way to discount your response."

Just because I disagree with you. See how that works?

Russian judge gives it an 8.5 out of 10.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-03-2014/pzbXxd.gif

Frownland 04-28-2017 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1829147)
Do I? I explain my position, ask for people with dissenting opinions to explain their position(which usually leads to personal attacks, strawmen, or goal post moving, or subjective bs I don't have time for), and admit when I am naive to a subject I'm discussing.

Ja but the problem is that you don't agree with Chula and are willing to discuss the nuances of a situation without just globbing onto the black and white depiction from the media.

Frownland 04-28-2017 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1829148)
Everyone has a style. It takes a while to establish. It also sucks when you lean on it all the time. Add some substance to the conversation or take your cliche'd responses elsewhere. You've become tired with your predictable crap. "You are obviously inferior to me, therefore I'll point it out as a way to discount your response."

Just because I disagree with you. See how that works?

Russian judge gives it an 8.5 out of 10.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-03-2014/pzbXxd.gif

Getting upset and calling me predictable/pretentious/a big meanie is just as predictable as me pointing out when you say something stupid. And it's not because I disagree with you on this subject, it's the approach you're taking towards DWV for trying to have a grownup conversation instead of this youtube comment section ****storm.

Chula Vista 04-28-2017 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1829147)
What kind of real world experiences of mine would you like to know about? Scraping by with hardly any food, working multiple jobs while attending community college, with no health insurance and paying for rent & car/insurance? Not being able to get a 4 year degree because I couldn't afford it living on my own?

Is it at this point I should insult you and imply it's your ****ing fault? Because that's precisely what you did to me.

People floating along in a lifeboat should unify. Not punch each other in the face until some start falling out.

Frownland 04-28-2017 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1829153)
Is it at this point I should insult you and imply it's your ****ing fault? Because that's precisely what you did to me.

Source please.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 03:42 PM

It was my fault. I made that decision. I learned a lot from it, and I'm thankful to have had it. It made me financially responsible, motivated, and gave me an amazing work ethic. I didn't ever complain or make excuses, I got through it putting in the work. So sure you can insult me, I'm not easily offended.

Anteater 04-28-2017 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1829139)
On a side note, why you making so much fun of Elph? He makes great points, although sometimes a bit naively. Ant should be the real target here. If he ruled the world Ayn Rand would be smiling in her grave.

Tsk tsk tsk. You are welcome to come up with legitimate criticism at some point before I die of old age. Until then, pretend Obama had your best interests at heart eight years ago. :rofl:

As for me, Trump could die tomorrow and I'd laugh. You should learn to recognize, however, that his failures are partly a consequence of underlying issues your own party did not bother to address due to laziness, stupidity and numerous other factors. And now we have to live with him.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 03:48 PM

It is though, because opinions change over time and with experience.. and you can call bull**** on me if you want, but I used to think very similarly to you and argue with people my age in the exact same ways you're arguing with me now. The only difference is you are more educated on the topics than I was at the time, and the world was in a different place.

Chula Vista 04-28-2017 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1829150)
without just globbing onto the black and white depiction from the media.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1829151)
Getting upset and calling me predictable/pretentious/a big meanie is just as predictable as me pointing out when you say something stupid.

Are you even following the grownup **** I'm posting about. This isn't the ****ing media. (again, your snobby pretension rears it's head).

List my stupid statements. Please. You came out and called me stupid. Back it up. Without pretension. Bring it on.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 03:52 PM

It makes me sad when you start a conversation with me and then ignore my reply to insult Frown. :(

Chula Vista 04-28-2017 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1829155)
It was my fault. I made that decision. I learned a lot from it, and I'm thankful to have had it. It made me financially responsible, motivated, and gave me an amazing work ethic. I didn't ever complain or make excuses, I got through it putting in the work. So sure you can insult me, I'm not easily offended.

Dude, happy for you. Believe it or not, you got lucky. Tons of people have amazing work ethics and bust their butts, and still don't get through. Don't anoint yourself.

But you hurled the first rock, even though you knew my family's circumstances. That sting hasn't quite worn off yet.


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