Again, the military wanted to keep going - even after surrender, many of them committed suicide on the spot because they were so ashamed. Aside from the military, Japan knew they were done in the days leading up to the bomb being dropped. The political leaders were essentially begging the Soviet Union to act as a middle-man to broker a peace with the allies. After the Soviets declared war on them ending their neutrality pact in an effort to secure an unconditional surrender, essentially the ONLY concession they wanted was for the imperial family to live. Truman just wasn't having it.

Holy Moly. The goalposts have been majorly moved.

First on CNN: US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan - CNNPolitics.com

21,000 pound bomb. That's like 70 Frowland's. :yikes:

I rate it 4/10

Ja that sounds a lot like the propaganda points I mentioned earlier.

Check this out: Hiroshima: Breaking the Silence

From Dwight D. Eisenhower's memoirs:

Admittedly, I haven't read up on Hiroshima/Nagasaki much, but I thought this was worth inserting into the discussion.

Now that is interesting. Thanks man.
I still believe FDR deserves his place in history regardless. He was a great leader, even incapacitated as he was.

Exactly - Japan was obsessed with saving as much face as possible. They even found a silver lining with the bombs, thinking at least now people will see they HAD to surrender and the surrender didn't happen because of some social or political push.

You can still love FDR - Truman dropped the bombs.

We have been bombing caves in Afghanstan for ages. What's another ISIS cave bombing? Nothing but sensationalism.

Pretty much what I thought. Trump is going trigger-happy now, so the generals are probably jangling some ISIS keys in front of his face.

EDIT: Not sure how to re-size this so it's not obnoxiously huge.

Fixed it ~ Exo

http://i.imgur.com/9OgYqYi.jpg?1

Duh.

There's some nature and nurture involved in every aspect of our being.

More simplistic than saying humans are naturally greedy to some extent on average?

How do they fly bomber aircraft into these caves without them crashing into the cave walls?

First on CNN: US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan - CNNPolitics.com

They don't have to fly into the caves that's why they used a more powerful bomb so they can drop it from overhead and it will still destroy all the tunnels within the cave. Use your noggin sir. :nono:

This seems to be an ominous development to me, for two reasons:-

i) throwing heavy artillary and big bombs at troops is often strategically ineffective. It didn't help much in the First World War, and it didn't help much in Vietnam.
ii) at a time when most of the world is worried about N.Korea's escalating military showmanship, the US is setting a pretty bad example.

Depending on how many innocent Afgans have been killed, it could also turn into another home goal in the game of international PR, if you know what I mean; that the Afgans will not see the US as protecting them from extremists, but as aggressors instead.

Use Imgur

Anything the US does is going to be used as propaganda for extremists. I really don't think at this stage worrying about that is an issue.

^ Yes, I agree. I was really talking about the opinion of the ordinary Afghan people; the ones tired of violence, who just want to earn some money and send their kids to school. Luckily, from what CNN is reporting this morning, there were no civilian casualties, so let's hope the bombing won't stir up anti-American feeling among the general Afghan population.

^ Sorry, but I don't really understand what this means, elphenor. :(

I think he means that if Trump/America want to be seen to be a democratic state then it's going to backfire if they just drop bombs on their enemies without any sanctions or discussion.

You don't see how the destruction and destabilization caused by American bombs create anti-U.S. sentiments? And how this creates a recruitment potential for extremist groups?

Also, on North Korea: it's a ****ing terrible regime, but they're not exactly a threat to world peace. The main reason they've been developing nuclear weapons is to stave off a U.S. invasion.

And to prove Kim has the biggest dick.

Of course I see it, my point is that it doesn't matter what we do this is going to happen anyways. Would you rather let ISIS members live or at least kill off some of them and their operating bases?

The U.S. is directly responsible for producing the majority of propaganda and distributing it. They are behind the fake beheading videos.

The U.S. is not a democracy, it is a constitutionally-limited democratic republic. But I agree 100% with your sentiments.

Good lookin' out homie.

The U.S. is creating it's own enemies. This is by design. Gotta proliferate the military-industrial complex.

Say again?

I agree that it's fishy, but there's no need to construct conspiracy theories.

The U.S., Russia, China, the UK and India have been doing that for decades.

Hate doesn't arise from nowhere. Middle-Eastern extremists hate the U.S. specifically because of their role in destabilizing the region. "It doesn't matter what we do" is a ridiculous claim. What if the U.S. was to slash military spending and use that money of healthcare instead? Do you think that would be seen as a provocation? Of course it wouldn't.

Besides, Syria, Russia, and the Kurdish YPG are already fighting ISIS. U.S. involvement in the Syrian conflict is not helping at all - the recent U.S. bombing of a Syrian military base is proof of this. The best thing the U.S. can do to weaken ISIS (if that's even what they want) is to cease their military involvement in Syria.

They're beheading fish now? :yikes:

I'm just bumping this because I want to see drama.

Quick, send out the Chula signal.

https://i.imgflip.com/1nf5km.jpg

Beautiful.

SHINY!!!

3 Ways Donald Trump Is Making Gold Great Again

This is fun.

Every dark cloud has a silver........, oops, gold lining.

Beautifully said.

Dragnet theme?

http://boston.sportsthenandnow.com/w...fzbio1_500.gif

Well done son.

How many people can't tell what the **** is going on in that gif?

Hockey players be trippin

The goalie tripped that guy, right?