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Old 11-27-2016, 08:37 PM   #21 (permalink)
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He also emphasized the necessity of a transitional socialist state as the historical stage between capitalism and communism. He never said that stateless, classless communism world appear overnight, that's utopian. Cuba is not a communist society, it is at best a transitional socialist state.
Yeah, just like every other communist country. That transitional state is the oppressive dictatorship. The USSR was a transitional socialist state too.
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Old 11-28-2016, 04:25 AM   #22 (permalink)
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how'd he die?
The Cuban government hasn't released any details, but the man has been in declining health for over fifteen years. The press has speculated for a long time that Castro has suffered from diverticulitis, so that's probably the most likely death cause.
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Old 11-28-2016, 04:45 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Yeah, just like every other communist country. That transitional state is the oppressive dictatorship. The USSR was a transitional socialist state too.
You're proving my point. I was arguing against what i perceived to be an utopian interpretation of Marx.
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Old 11-28-2016, 06:36 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Old 11-28-2016, 10:44 AM   #25 (permalink)
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You're proving my point. I was arguing against what i perceived to be an utopian interpretation of Marx.
It's a meaningless point because no country has ever been able to get past the transitional stage because, duh, dictators don't give up power. In all likelihood there will never be a true communist state because the transitional period is a toilet you can't get out of.
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It is Utopian, not likely to ever actually be reached but part of political theory is envisioning what ought to be rather than what is
All well and good, but when the real life examples of an ideology are pretty much universal failures at reaching their intended goals then maybe you should rethink your support of that ideology.
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Old 11-28-2016, 11:28 AM   #27 (permalink)
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They aren't real life examples of it because communism isn't a form of government and certainly doesn't include dictatorship

All modern western democracies have Marxist influence
That is not at all the point and is a total sidestep.
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You can't just call yourself communist but ignore 2/3rds of what's in the Manifesto which is what every "example" has done
Because that's how it works in real life. The transitional government that is meant to turn the current state into a communist one ends up going the route of Stalin or Mao or Minh or Castro. Unless they can come up with a workable transitional state then communism will always remain a nice mental exercise and nothing more.
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Violent revolutions are retarded in general, communist or otherwise. Having your country be taken over by people who are A.) good at killing ****, and B.) predisposed to being disenfranchised and reacting with extreme solutions, probably is not the best idea in the world.
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Old 11-28-2016, 02:41 PM   #30 (permalink)
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They aren't real life examples of it because communism isn't a form of government and certainly doesn't include dictatorship

All modern western democracies have Marxist influences though
Marx would've disagreed. From The State and Revolution

"Marx grasped this essence of capitalist democracy splendidly when, in analyzing the experience of the [Paris Commune], he said that the oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class shall represent and repress them in parliament!"
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It's also worth pointing out Capatalism has never worked without incredible state intervention
A major role of the state is to defend the interests of the capitalists. The state isn't anti-capitalist in itself.
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Because that's how it works in real life. The transitional government that is meant to turn the current state into a communist one ends up going the route of Stalin or Mao or Minh or Castro. Unless they can come up with a workable transitional state then communism will always remain a nice mental exercise and nothing more.
What about the Paris Commune, run by the workers?
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