hillary clinton 4 prez

Key · 09-21-2016, 12:42 AM

To be honest, a third part vote is about the same as voting for Trump at this point. Unfortunately I may have to just swallow my pride and give in to the lesser of two evils even if I disagree with it completely. A third party vote won't do anything if more than half the country already has their mind made up.

djchameleon · 09-21-2016, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Ya, cause 28 years of real political experience during times of war, homeland terrorism, and massive financial recession counts for jack ****.

28 years of real political experience but look at her track record and how she has ****ed up so much during that time. Experience doesn't mean jack shit but crappy experience where it looks like she isn't learning from her mistakes and just making more mistakes isn't necessarily a good thing either. So sure some experience is better than none but bad experience isn't that great either.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Jill Stein because **** defeatism.

We are in an election with two of the least favourable candidates in American history. There's a ****ing chance that we can upgrade from a **** stew to a **** sandwich.

Jill Stein is polling 2% so go ahead and toss a vote her way. She desperately needs it. Plus you live in Cali, Hillary is taking your state.

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

The substantive point I was making is not all income is taxed similarly. To put it in stark terms, if Joe works at Costco making $50k a year and Bill makes $50k a year thru passive income off investments, Bill will pay (substantively) less in taxes. To put it in realistic terms, if you have a better job you get retirement benefits that not only pay out more but are often structured in such a way they are either tax neutral or act in as a deduction.... meaning you pay less in taxes for more better pay.

Yeah, you basically said the same thing as me but with better details. There are different retirement options where you can get your tax deferred or have it taken out upfront and then later on when you have more in your retirement account you get to take that out tax free.

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Originally Posted by Ki

To be honest, a third part vote is about the same as voting for Trump at this point. Unfortunately I may have to just swallow my pride and give in to the lesser of two evils even if I disagree with it completely. A third party vote won't do anything if more than half the country already has their mind made up.

Depending on the state you live in, voting is just a meaningless act to say you voted for the hell of it unless you live in a swing state which I know you don't so your vote doesn't really matter. Still going to vote is a good thing because there might be referendums and propositions to vote on that you might be more concerned with. Along with the assemblymen and possibly senate seats depending on your district. If you don't pay attention to state politics. I feel like that is what you should spend your time researching more than presidential candidates.

Chula Vista · 09-21-2016, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

28 years of real political experience but look at her track record and how she has ****ed up so much during that time.

How about some substance to back up this statement?

djchameleon · 09-21-2016, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

How about some substance to back up this statement?

You are looking for sources? Here you go.

At first I was going to go through and make a laundry list of her failures but it's fine. Five will do and I'll let you read it because I'm way too lazy for that.

https://mic.com/articles/24646/5-for...ate#.y6JLR5Q65

**Frownland** · 09-21-2016, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki

To be honest, a third part vote is about the same as voting for Trump at this point. Unfortunately I may have to just swallow my pride and give in to the lesser of two evils even if I disagree with it completely. A third party vote won't do anything if more than half the country already has their mind made up.

Both Hillary's and Trump's presidency will have the same amount of apocalypse as the Obama presidency. I really don't give a **** which one gets in since I don't like either of them (for different reasons) but I'm not willing to give them a helping hand.

Chula Vista · 09-21-2016, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Both Hillary's and Trump's presidency will have the same amount of apocalypse as the Obama presidency.

How about some substance to back up this assertion that his presidency was such a failure?

**Frownland** · 09-21-2016, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

How about some substance to back up this assertion that his presidency was such a failure?

I'm not saying that it was anything of the sort.

Key · 09-21-2016, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Depending on the state you live in, voting is just a meaningless act to say you voted for the hell of it unless you live in a swing state which I know you don't so your vote doesn't really matter. Still going to vote is a good thing because there might be referendums and propositions to vote on that you might be more concerned with. Along with the assemblymen and possibly senate seats depending on your district. If you don't pay attention to state politics. I feel like that is what you should spend your time researching more than presidential candidates.

That's also what I've been doing. But, I still focus on the presidential candidates to form my opinions about them.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Both Hillary's and Trump's presidency will have the same amount of apocalypse as the Obama presidency.

Pardon? Pretty sure we've seen more success in Obama's presidency than we've seen in the last 15 years.

09-21-2016, 12:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	To be honest, a third part vote is about the same as voting for Trump at this point. Unfortunately I may have to just swallow my pride and give in to the lesser of two evils even if I disagree with it completely. A third party vote won't do anything if more than half the country already has their mind made up.