hillary clinton 4 prez

djchameleon · 09-21-2016, 06:36 AM

Everyone in the UK is voting for Trump?

**Frownland** · 09-21-2016, 09:25 AM

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To be honest, a third part vote is about the same as voting for Trump at this point. Unfortunately I may have to just swallow my pride and give in to the lesser of two evils even if I disagree with it completely. A third party vote won't do anything if more than half the country already has their mind made up.

Both Hillary's and Trump's presidency will have the same amount of apocalypse as the Obama presidency. I really don't give a **** which one gets in since I don't like either of them (for different reasons) but I'm not willing to give them a helping hand.

Chula Vista · 09-21-2016, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

28 years of real political experience but look at her track record and how she has ****ed up so much during that time.

How about some substance to back up this statement?

Chula Vista · 09-21-2016, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Both Hillary's and Trump's presidency will have the same amount of apocalypse as the Obama presidency.

How about some substance to back up this assertion that his presidency was such a failure?

**Frownland** · 09-21-2016, 11:47 AM

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How about some substance to back up this assertion that his presidency was such a failure?

I'm not saying that it was anything of the sort.

Key · 09-21-2016, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Depending on the state you live in, voting is just a meaningless act to say you voted for the hell of it unless you live in a swing state which I know you don't so your vote doesn't really matter. Still going to vote is a good thing because there might be referendums and propositions to vote on that you might be more concerned with. Along with the assemblymen and possibly senate seats depending on your district. If you don't pay attention to state politics. I feel like that is what you should spend your time researching more than presidential candidates.

That's also what I've been doing. But, I still focus on the presidential candidates to form my opinions about them.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Both Hillary's and Trump's presidency will have the same amount of apocalypse as the Obama presidency.

Pardon? Pretty sure we've seen more success in Obama's presidency than we've seen in the last 15 years.

**Frownland** · 09-21-2016, 04:26 PM

That would be the point, gentlemen.

There was a lot of talk about Obama being an absolute disaster and it didn't turn out that way. Even if Trump does get in, he's going to be fighting a congress using obstruction tactics that have become so popular recently. It's just going to be business as usual, even if a lot of the cogs in the system are rotten.

Key · 09-21-2016, 04:32 PM

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That would be the point, gentlemen.

There was a lot of talk about Obama being an absolute disaster and it didn't turn out that way. Even if Trump does get in, he's going to be fighting a congress using obstruction tactics that have become so popular recently. It's just going to be business as usual, even if a lot of the cogs in the system are rotten.

That's more the problem I have with people's view on Hillary. While I now don't really necessarily see a point in voting third party, people think that if Hillary is elected she'll have the power to change anything. Obama spent 8 years trying to get congress to listen, and they didn't. They're now not going to listen because the first female is president, if anything, that'll cause them to listen even less.

Also, the use of the word apocalypse made me think you were saying something negative, hence my confusion with your initial post.

djchameleon · 09-21-2016, 04:36 PM

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How about some substance to back up this statement?

You are looking for sources? Here you go.

At first I was going to go through and make a laundry list of her failures but it's fine. Five will do and I'll let you read it because I'm way too lazy for that.

https://mic.com/articles/24646/5-for...ate#.y6JLR5Q65

The Batlord · 09-21-2016, 04:42 PM

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the first female is president

Eve?

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