hillary clinton 4 prez

djchameleon · 09-07-2016, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Yes but it's still important for person-to-person relations. If the only people you know are white, who do white things, then meeting a black person will probably be a weird experience. As opposed to a white person who's known black people all their life, and who knows what's up and not up.

True!

**Goofle** · 09-07-2016, 02:53 PM

How Much Do the Top 1 Percent Pay of All Taxes?

I'm not sure how accurate this is, but by all accounts the top 15/20% pay almost or more than 50% of all taxes. No wonder they take steps to avoid paying even more.

Chula Vista · 09-07-2016, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

How Much Do the Top 1 Percent Pay of All Taxes?

The Daily Signal is a site run by conservatives. No wonder they publish that propaganda.

This breaks it down a bit more accurately:

Jeb Bush says top 1 percent pay nearly half of all taxes | PolitiFact Florida

**Goofle** · 09-07-2016, 05:25 PM

You're strengthening my case there bud. And propaganda is a strong term, I think the word you were looking for is 'data'. Like facts and figures.

**Frownland** · 09-07-2016, 05:36 PM

It's presented a bit misleadingly. Income taxes aren't the only taxes that Americans pay, and the majority of them have higher payroll taxes than income taxes. The article that Chula linked explains it quite well.

**Goofle** · 09-07-2016, 05:40 PM

It does indeed. But it still strengthens my case that the highest earners pay vastly more into the tax system, especially proportionally.

**Frownland** · 09-07-2016, 05:55 PM

If you only focus on income taxes and ignore the grand scheme of things, you're 100% correct.

**Goofle** · 09-07-2016, 06:22 PM

Ah, the grand scheme. Where the richest people don't pay hugely disproportionate amounts of tax?

Imagine a world where everyone got taxed the same amount (or even percentage) regardless of income.

Chula Vista · 09-07-2016, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

It does indeed. But it still strengthens my case that the highest earners pay vastly more into the tax system, especially proportionally.

Problem is it's not a linear scale from poor to the 1%.

Not to mention that the uber rich hide a ton of their income off-shore prior to declaring income for tax purposes.

And then there's **** like this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/12/bu...zero.html?_r=0

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Critics have called like-kind exchanges an outrageous tax loophole that benefits wealthy real estate developers and other investors to the tune of $33 billion in lost tax revenue a year. The Obama administration has called for repealing it, and several bipartisan measures to do so have been introduced in Congress, all to no avail given the gridlock over tax reform.

“It’s a big loophole,” Mr. Rosenthal said of the like-kind exchange provisions. “It allows well-to-do and well-advised taxpayers to defer their tax liability potentially until death.”

**Frownland** · 09-07-2016, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Ah, the grand scheme. Where the richest people don't pay hugely disproportionate amounts of tax?

Imagine a world where everyone got taxed the same amount (or even percentage) regardless of income.

So you didn't read a word of the politifact article, did you?

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Originally Posted by Goofle

I'm not sure how accurate this is

Then why are you treating it like gospel that cannot be challenged?

09-07-2016, 05:36 PM	#665 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	It's presented a bit misleadingly. Income taxes aren't the only taxes that Americans pay, and the majority of them have higher payroll taxes than income taxes. The article that Chula linked explains it quite well. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

09-07-2016, 05:55 PM	#667 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	If you only focus on income taxes and ignore the grand scheme of things, you're 100% correct. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x