hillary clinton 4 prez

grindy · 10-22-2016, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

The potential nuclear war with Russia should kinda be enough to automatically dissuade you from voting for Hillary.

Some PC bull**** is obviously way more important.

djchameleon · 10-22-2016, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

The potential nuclear war with Russia should kinda be enough to automatically dissuade you from voting for Hillary.

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Originally Posted by grindy

Enjoy your WW3.

The potential for nuclear war with Russia is stupid fear mongering tactics that you keep hearing from Fox News and other right wing media pundits. There is no potential for nuclear war with Russia.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Oh he will, don't doubt it.

Let's not deny that Trump has the same potential to bring on WW3, though.

^This but it's not even close to happening so people need to quit with the dramatics.

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Originally Posted by grindy

I can't imagine him poking Russia with a sharp stick as hard as Hillary will.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I can imagine him poking anybody with a sharp stick that he wants.

^Also this, the way he interacts with foreign leaders passed off of his current campaign indicates that he's unfit to be president. Someone that has temperament issues that he does, flies off the handle so quickly and always tries to blame others for his mistakes and acts like a child shouldn't be talking to foreign leaders. He will end up creating more conflicts than stopping them. Yet people don't see him as a potential war mongerer. Get over yourselves.

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

Voting for the person you support =/ wasting your vote.

If you live in a swing state, which you don't since you aren't even in the US. voting for the person you support means voting for Trump to win that state. You take away a vote for Hillary and that closes the gap between Trump and Hillary. You can be idealistic about the process all you want but voting for the person you support it essentially throwing away your vote to a candidate that will never win that state. As Bernie Sanders previously said, this isn't the year to be protest voting. You are either voting for Trump or against Trump.

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

Basically what Lucem says. Every vote helps. Maybe they won't win, but helping an independent party have their highest voting turn out will do nothing but good for them in the future. America is just as ****ed with Hillary, you might as well support the politician you actually agree with.

Like I just said, this isn't the year for idealistic future vote bull****. It is either For Trump or Against Trump. Pick a different election cycle to do that independent party bull****. Again another non-American spouting idealistic non sense.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Not really, it's a wasted vote when you are willingly giving up the one time you can have your voice heard over this us vs. them facade that they keep pushing election after election. How can anybody be angry over the options we have when they keep supporting the options we have?

I will repeat again. This isn't the election to do that. Do it some other time.

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Originally Posted by grindy

I take his loudmouth retard unpredictability over the absolute predictability that Hillary will be war mongering and world policing.

So you rather take someone that will send the US economy into the tanker while creating all kinds of conflicts around the world than have Hillary? Also what do you think presidents have the power to do actually? You do know she has to go through our congress and if it's a Republican led congress all this war mongering and world policing that you are afraid of won't even happen. Even with a Democratic congress those two things can't happen. Also traditionally, Republicans are more known to be the one that pushes for wars and world policing/getting involved in foreign countries. Democrats usually want to cut back on military spending.

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Originally Posted by grindy

Some PC bull**** is obviously way more important.

I wish it was just PC bull****. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

grindy · 10-22-2016, 07:58 AM

I'm neither american nor a fan of conservative politics, so I'm not sure why the **** I should be listening to Fox or right wing pundits or whatever.

And thinking that democrats are automatically doves and republicans are hawks is some Chula level black and white thinking.

Hilary stands for interventionism, while Trump is planning to significantly reduce american military activity around the world.
I'm not sure he'll be able to do it, as you said, the president is not as mighty as people think he is, but the president having that position might have some influence after all and be a step in the right direction.

djchameleon · 10-22-2016, 08:07 AM

What Trump says he plans to do and what he can actually get done are two different things. Also Trump is just saying whatever he thinks will help him to win. His own running mate is against some of the same things that he says he is for. All of Trump's policies are basically written on a piece of paper in pencil, when he gets in he'll basically just do whatever suits his best interests(businesses) and just do the complete opposite of what he has been saying but that's pretty much what Hillary will do also and any politician for that matter.

Don't toss around Chula insults so willy nilly. The doves/hawks analog is perfectly fine in what they traditional stand for. There are certain things that Conservatives usually vote for and the same goes for Democrats so laugh all you want. It's the truth.

grindy · 10-22-2016, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

What Trump says he plans to do and what he can actually get done are two different things. Also Trump is just saying whatever he thinks will help him to win. His own running mate is against some of the same things that he says he is for. All of Trump's policies are basically written on a piece of paper in pencil, when he gets in he'll basically just do whatever suits his best interests(businesses) and just do the complete opposite of what he has been saying but that's pretty much what Hillary will do also and any politician for that matter.

Don't toss around Chula insults so willy nilly. The doves/hawks analog is perfectly fine in what they traditional stand for. There are certain things that Conservatives usually vote for and the same goes for Democrats so laugh all you want. It's the truth.

Yeah, Trump is a loudmouth retard and he might have problems implementing any of the things he is announcing, but once again: I take that uncertainty over the certainty of America further ****ing up the world under Hillary. And cries of "boo hoo he's racist/sexist etc." (not that he isn't) won't change that.

djchameleon · 10-22-2016, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

Yeah, Trump is a loudmouth retard and he might have problems implementing any of the things he is announcing, but once again: I take that uncertainty over the certainty of America further ****ing up the world under Hillary. And cries of "boo hoo he's racist/sexist etc." (not that he isn't) won't change that.

It's funny that you think Trump won't **** up the world either.

You are so clouded by your anti-PCness that you can't see what Trump will do to the world at large as well.

He's going to **** over the economy in the states too.

grindy · 10-22-2016, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

It's funny that you think Trump won't **** up the world either.

You are so clouded by your anti-PCness that you can't see what Trump will do to the world at large as well.

He's going to **** over the economy in the states too.

I'm really not a fan of this whole rabid anti-PC stuff conservatives, MRAs and other people of that kind stand for, it's just that most arguments against Trump seem to boil down to PC stuff. And I just don't think it's the most important thing in the world, which a lot of liberals tend to do.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 10-22-2016, 08:39 AM

Silly non-Americans, thinking they're actually allowed to have an opinion on an election in the most powerful country of the world, which will directly affect them.

grindy · 10-22-2016, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

Silly non-Americans, thinking they're actually allowed to have an opinion on an election in the most powerful country of the world, which will directly effect them.

affect

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 10-22-2016, 08:40 AM

Thanks, I always **** that up.

10-22-2016, 07:58 AM	#1513 (permalink)
grindy . Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: . Posts: 7,201	I'm neither american nor a fan of conservative politics, so I'm not sure why the ** I should be listening to Fox or right wing pundits or whatever. And thinking that democrats are automatically doves and republicans are hawks is some Chula level black and white thinking. Hilary stands for interventionism, while Trump is planning to significantly reduce american military activity around the world. I'm not sure he'll be able to do it, as you said, the president is not as mighty as people think he is, but the president having that position might have some influence after all and be a step in the right direction. __________________ A smell of petroleum prevails throughout.**