Tumblr, Otherkin, and Political Correctness Overkill

~~Cuthbert~~ · 03-14-2017, 12:15 PM

FGM is practised here. Saw this the other day.

West Midlands Police under fire over FGM tweets « Express & Star

**Goofle** · 03-14-2017, 12:47 PM

Frownland, stop arguing for the human rights of men before you get put in the same box as Alt-Right Nazi's.

~~normalMBuser~~ · 03-14-2017, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

I don't disagree with any of that. I have not watched one and have no interest in doing so. Medical procedures gross me out. Not much stomach for poking and prodding around the human body.

it is quite disturbing. the kid just sits there screaming in agony while they cut his dick up. they don't put him under or anything... too risky at that age

i was never even "against" circumcision as such, since i was circumcised as a baby and don't remember it at all. but arguing about it once someone posted that video and now i don't know if i could let them do that to my son, if i ever were to have one

but that's sorta why i would put the devils advocate argument that male circumcision is a more relevant topic with regard to moral concerns/human rights in a western context. since there is a decent chance that many of us here might have our sons circumcised, not even thinking about it. where as there is a relatively minimal chance than any of us would even be in the position to opt to have our daughter's clit hacked off with a somalian machete.

~~normalMBuser~~ · 03-14-2017, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

FGM is practised here. Saw this the other day.

let it be known that when i say "the west" i am referring specifically to the united states

as canada, australia, britain and europe have all - inadvertently through their multiculturalist neurosis - opted to become extensions of the caliphate

riseagainstrocks · 03-16-2017, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

They're clearly not equivalent in more than one way. For one, FGM is not even practiced in my culture and looks to be 100% vilified by everyone, while male circumcision is incredibly rampant in my society and seems to be accepted as absolutely fine by 75% or more of people (estimate). Does FGM still suck chrome donkey balls? See my 100% number. That doesn't mean that anything less than FGM is no longer an issue.

Like anything else, it being used as a talking point by a side that you don't like (nor I for that matter) does not mean that the idea is inherently wrong. I don't think I'm implying an equivalency here, I think you're just inferring too much. It's easy to get swept up in the bigger picture, these conversations get abstract fast. I end up doing it all the time.

I can agree with this. I'm still not a fan of applying visceral language to issues that don't warrant it - it's part of broader trend of hyperbole in public discourse, but I think we're more or less aligned on this issue. You enjoy playing the contrarian and I appreciate that. Keeps me honest

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Frownland, stop arguing for the human rights of men before you get put in the same box as Alt-Right Nazi's.

I would like to have a real conversation with you, but you keep setting up these strawmen. I have never said that thinking circumcision is barbaric equates to being an 'alt-right Nazi'. I have said that the language used by MRA groups is purposeful and allows them to make an equivalency with FGM. This then gives them a leg, albeit a wobbly one, to stand on when they claim that feminism/women's issues get more play than men's - after all, both sexes are butchered. To my mind, this is pure sophistry for the reasons I've explained previously.

It's fine that we disagree. I welcome disagreement. Had a great back and forth with Frownland. He doesn't invent positions that I've "taken". He responds to what I actually say/type.

Tristan_Geoff · 03-16-2017, 11:39 AM

Ouch, next time I should think through what points I try and make.

**Goofle** · 03-16-2017, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

I would like to have a real conversation with you, but you keep setting up these strawmen. I have never said that thinking circumcision is barbaric equates to being an 'alt-right Nazi'. I have said that the language used by MRA groups is purposeful and allows them to make an equivalency with FGM. This then gives them a leg, albeit a wobbly one, to stand on when they claim that feminism/women's issues get more play than men's - after all, both sexes are butchered. To my mind, this is pure sophistry for the reasons I've explained previously.

It's fine that we disagree. I welcome disagreement. Had a great back and forth with Frownland. He doesn't invent positions that I've "taken". He responds to what I actually say/type.

I shall no longer joke in your presence. Instead I will repeat my same positions and not change your mind.

Neapolitan · 03-16-2017, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

You are correct, it is anecdotal evidence. I'll concede that 'injury' could fit if the definition was stretched a bit. But as a point of comparison, something like a battlefield injury that could be described as 'mutilation' would not be expected to heal to the point where full functionality is maintained. The definition you cite does include 'removing or irreparably damaging parts'. A much more common use of the word would be attached to injuries from landmines, or woodchippers, or chainsaw-wielding Texans.

Regardless, referring to both circumcision and FGM as genital mutilation implies an equivalency with the substantive difference being which gender the practice is performed upon. I think you're being willfully blind to the propaganda value this false equivalency creates. But since you're returning to 'what the word mutilation means to me' I can't argue against a personal belief. Consider the point dropped, on my end at least.

Being blind necessarily does not equate to being ignorant. In the original sense of the word "ignorant", as in lacking in knowledge, awareness or perception. Not the more colloquial sense as being rude, being ignorant of manners.

Blind Willie McTell was blind, and he probably had done more reading of books than you will ever hope to achieve in your lifetime. Helen Keller wrote twelve published books, and she was blind too. How books have you published?

Isbjørn · 03-16-2017, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mordor

The radicals supported the revolution. The leaders chopped the heads off of any who didn't support the revolution. But then the new guard saw that the old leaders weren't radical enough and cut their heads off, too.

Liberalism eating its parents. Chickens coming home to roost.

Liberalism is hardly radical

Anyway, is otherkin actually a thing? Or is it some joke that went out of hand? If the latter is true, then otherkin is just as transphobic as attack helicopter jokes

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 03-16-2017, 04:55 PM

it's actually a thing

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