The Islam Thread

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Originally Posted by elphenor

if you want to talk about a specific sect of a religion, possibly

but there are progressive Christians and Muslims, and they no less have claim to their faith than anyone else

someone's spirituality tells you **** all about them

progressive Christians and Muslims are just people who are not willing to accept the bleak reality of atheism and feel some sort of cultural ties to their religion of birth. The more progressive they are the further removed they are from their holy book.

BTW ideology means more than just politics. Believing that Jesus is the son of God who died for your sins is inherently ideological.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

talk to some progressive religious folk

this is such a teenagerish view

as if my entire family and most people I know aren't religious.

What I'm saying is just patently true. There are Christians who argue the Bible isn't against homosexuality, for example. I like them. They're just wrong, though.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

The Bible can be against homophobia, but you can believe that the book was written by inspired humans (not God) and as such is a product of its time

You can but then once you start questioning the accuracy of the book you get into the question of did Jesus really die for your sins or is it all a big metaphor. Which, at that point you're hardly even Christian. You just identify with it culturally, like I said


The vast majority of moderates actually accept the book was divinely inspired and come up with other convoluted rationalizations for why the text doesn't mean what it clearly says.