The Islam Thread

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by elphenor

I think the anti-religion rhetoric is tactically harmful to the left as well

it's super classist, it inspires bigotry, it rallies the Right, it ignores the history religion has had in fighting imperialism world wide etc

Everything in this post is either wrong or chicken****

1) **** “the left”
2) both rich and poor are religious idiots
3) believing your god is real is inherently bigoted against every other belief system
4) rally the right / we need to fight
5) most religions are all about getting converts which is a historical cornerstone to imperialism

[OccultHawk]

Religion only gives false hope because the **** they base it on isn’t real.

[The Batlord]

Says the tankie.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Says the tankie.

Proud of it

[Marie Monday]

I think it's important to separate religious institutions from individual religious people. About the latter I agree with Elph, but I think religious institutions are so intertwined with conservatism and enforcement of traditional power structures that I'd say they are harmful to humanity.
The only form of religion that I've read about that I didn't consider **** is the religious views Alice Walker talks about in The Color Purple

[Frownland]

Outing myself as a hippie mf but there are a lot of great things to pull from Buddhism, just gloss over the reincarnation, karma, energy, etc business. You can even learn from those by putting them through a more secular lens. Or you can take acid and reach similar conclusions since even a religion that points so clearly towards nonviolence like Buddhism is used for tribal nonsense.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Outing myself as a hippie mf but there are a lot of great things to pull from Buddhism, just gloss over the reincarnation, karma, energy, etc business. You can even learn from those by putting them through a more secular lens. Or you can take acid and reach similar conclusions since even a religion that points so clearly towards nonviolence like Buddhism is used for tribal nonsense.

Some religions are clearly less toxic than others.

[Frownland]

Islam bad. China bad.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by elphenor

this obviously didn't happen this time around

after 4 years of Trump they gave us Biden

I don't know where people are getting the idea that suddenly there's going to be a light bulb moment and the DNC establishment will just roll over

The 8 years of Obama gave rise to Trump and Sanders in 2016 to be fair. And there was enough energy behind a Bernie style message that it basically set the tone for the entire democratic party around healthcare at the very least.

Also I skipped the last 10 pages of this thread but Islam is a **** religion in general. There are exceptions but overall Islam is mostly just Arabs that actually still think Mosaic law is worth following.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by jwb

The 8 years of Obama gave rise to Trump and Sanders in 2016 to be fair. And there was enough energy behind a Bernie style message that it basically set the tone for the entire democratic party around healthcare at the very least.

Also I skipped the last 10 pages of this thread but Islam is a **** religion in general. There are exceptions but overall Islam is mostly just Arabs that actually still think Mosaic law is worth following.

Great post, some sense on here at last