The Islam Thread

[Frownland]

american muslims interpret Islam by way of fast food

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Frownland

american muslims interpret Islam by way of fast food

Racist af, tbh

[Cuthbert]

It's true. They are regularly found in Burqa King for example.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Cuthbert

It's true. They are regularly found in Burqa King for example.

[jwb]

Missed this

Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

Correct me if I'm wrong here - but many of Christianity's more toxic beliefs were expunged in the Reformation, right (led my Martin Luther)? I don't think that Islam has had a similar kind of reformation -- or has it?

This is actually a common misconception. The reformation was specifically a rebellion against the Catholic Church and their unique supremacy over Christian doctrine and practice. This was in response to many practices of the Church that reformers thought went against their religious sensibilities. This includes things like selling the (supposed) bones of saints and selling things like getting your unbaptized child out of purgatory and into heaven, among many other grievances.

The end result was through a bloody schism, Protestants eventually left the umbrella of the church. That doesn't mean they were less religiously extreme or backwards. Take the Calvinists for a prime example. What it did mean is that there was the potential for religious conflict even among different sects of Christianity in Christian societies which eventually lead to the idea of separation of church and state and state secularism.

Which coincided with a lot of enlightenment era criticism of religion in general. So there was a simultaneous push for removing state power from religion as well as a general secular criticism of religion which lead to modern day Christianity becoming eventually as watered down as it is today... Which is to say much more so than Islam in the middle east but not nearly what it should or could be, especially in the US. And that's after centuries of said development.

So what Islam would need is not just a reformation, which is just essentially a religious schism. Arguably that's not even applicable in Islam since there is no centralized equivalent to the Church, and since there has already been one very significant schism between Sunni and Shia Islam. What they need is the sort of secular creep that Christianity had as a result of the enlightenment over the past few centuries.

[jwb]

I know I cite this guy all the time but his story is worth understanding.



The important thing to grasp is that this is by many accounts the ideological forefather to Al Qaeda and his reasoning wasn't even nearly just "**** Western imperialism." Obviously he did oppose imperialism but not necessarily for the same reasons you might. He resented Western influence because he regarded it as decadent and secular, AKA anti Islam.

Not only did he oppose it in his home country but his views were cemented when he lived in America for a few years in the 40s and found Western culture to be utterly decadent, materialistic, racist and hypersexualized.

I'm sure there are certain parts of his objections some of us can even sympathize with and see as valid. But fundamentally there is a certain rejection of modernity, very similar to fundamentalist Christians in the US which makes it hard to imagine that all this extremism is just down to foreign policy.

[Norg]

i just wanna know how u guys do it by forcing yall women less rights and forcing wardrobe and social traits etc etc to be denied

like thats some pimp gangsta stuff image trying that stuff with a White women in the states thats named like a Karen

but i know some arab women who if they had the chance they def try and leave there family and be total phycho and freaks LOL

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Norg

i just wanna know how u guys do it by forcing yall women less rights and forcing wardrobe and social traits etc etc to be denied

like thats some pimp gangsta stuff image trying that stuff with a White women in the states thats named like a Karen

but i know some arab women who if they had the chance they def try and leave there family and be total phycho and freaks LOL

wtf

[OccultHawk]

What they need is the sort of secular creep that Christianity had as a result of the enlightenment over the past few centuries.

Maybe the New Testament has a pretty agreeable message and the Koran basically sucks the ding dong.

I watched that video btw. That’s wild how influential that guy was.

i know some arab women who if they had the chance they def try and leave there family and be total phycho and freaks

You ever get up in it?

[OccultHawk]

In this corner we have actual history and in this corner we have the world that magically molds to fit one person’s politics