The Islam Thread

Lucem Ferre · 08-31-2020, 05:32 PM

Christianity is Satanism to me.

Islam is feminism to me.

Judaism is Nazism to me.

Lucem Ferre · 08-31-2020, 05:35 PM

I'm a Maoist and Maoism means pro capitalism and love your landlord. Forget what's preached it's what ever I want it to be.

~~jwb~~ · 08-31-2020, 05:36 PM

So you're going with the chicken/egg routine

Once again though you pick a vague enough term like "tradition." This is just like the "culture" argument all over again. Religion is intimately and inextricably linked to both tradition and culture. It also acts as an explicit mechanism for preserving both.

Lucem Ferre · 08-31-2020, 05:42 PM

Racism and antisemitism existed before Mein Kampf. Nazism is what ever the Nazi wants it to be.

The Batlord · 08-31-2020, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

So you're going with the chicken/egg routine

Once again though you pick a vague enough term like "tradition." This is just like the "culture" argument all over again. Religion is intimately and inextricably linked to both tradition and culture. It also acts as an explicit mechanism for preserving both.

Alright I'm honestly too lazy to stay in this Islam conversation but if you're suggesting it's possible that religion created homophobia rather than just bolster it then I have to side eye you. It's not even about white knighting religion but religion would never have been homophobic if homophobia hadn't already been a cultural norm that religion was codifying and rationalizing. Even the Greeks didn't allow for men marrying men.

~~jwb~~ · 08-31-2020, 05:46 PM

Mein Kampf is honestly not a good analogy. It's cheating for the author to go ahead and commit the genocide himself. A real guru inspires others to do it.

~~jwb~~ · 08-31-2020, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Alright I'm honestly too lazy to stay in this Islam conversation but if you're suggesting it's possible that religion created homophobia rather than just bolster it then I have to side eye you. It's not even about white knighting religion but religion would never have been homophobic if homophobia hadn't already been a cultural norm that religion was codifying and rationalizing. Even the Greeks didn't allow for men marrying men.

I never said it invented the concept of sexual repression or homophobia... It reinforces it through an unwavering and systematic ideology. Elph said that if you lose religion you won't lose your homophobia. On a population statistics level that's just demonstrably untrue. That has nothing to do with religion inventing anything.

Lucem Ferre · 08-31-2020, 05:52 PM

I'm just talking shit.

Lucem Ferre · 08-31-2020, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

this would be the entire point

religion is not an ideology like Maoism

I'm talking **** but do you really think religion isn't an ideology?

~~jwb~~ · 08-31-2020, 05:56 PM

It's more than just an ideology... But it's no less ideological.

08-31-2020, 05:36 PM	#613 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	So you're going with the chicken/egg routine Once again though you pick a vague enough term like "tradition." This is just like the "culture" argument all over again. Religion is intimately and inextricably linked to both tradition and culture. It also acts as an explicit mechanism for preserving both.

08-31-2020, 05:46 PM	#616 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Mein Kampf is honestly not a good analogy. It's cheating for the author to go ahead and commit the genocide himself. A real guru inspires others to do it.

08-31-2020, 05:56 PM	#620 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	It's more than just an ideology... But it's no less ideological.