The Christianity Thread

[Frownland]

What?

[innerspaceboy]

Originally Posted by mordwyr

One can reason the existence of a First Cause, what some might call the Divinity.

One cannot reason the particular characteristics of that entity. Hence, revelation.

The natural question which arises from the First Cause argument is "What caused what you call god?". Responding that God is exempt from requiring a cause is a case of special pleading.

Even if one accepts the cosmological argument as a proof of a First Cause, it does not necessarily identify that First Cause with a god.

[Key]

innerspaceboy in a denate is possibly the greatest thing to ever happen here.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Why would you trust an institution that covers up the rape of children?

Mary was a virgin who was raped by God who invaded her womb and came out nine months later as Baby Jesus God Baby. It's all in a book. That's why so many of them have constant rape erections for children. It's Godlike.

[DeadChannel]

Originally Posted by mordwyr

One can reason the existence of a First Cause, what some might call the Divinity.

One cannot reason the particular characteristics of that entity. Hence, revelation.

Then, why are you a Christian rather than a generalized deist?

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[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by mordwyr

Cause and effect presupposes that one thing gives rise to another, further presupposing a space-time continuum. The Divinity is outside time. He created time itself. Time is for us, not Him. He is not bound by time, so the question of cause and effect is not applicable to His nature.

Considering how mind-bogglingly complex the issue of the creation of life, the universe, and everything actually is, it's presumptuous to assume that we can draw such definitive conclusions about it (i.e. that it's impossible without a deity-creator). I don't know the answer to how existence and time came to be, and I'm sure that modern science also cannot make any definitive claims, but we're not concerned with coming up with the answers RIGHT ****ING NOW. We're just trying to do what we can to increase our knowledge until hopefully we might be able to solve the problem one day. And until then, we are willing to settle for temporary ignorance.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by mordwyr

Because of revelation.

Because retardation?