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Fact: both of Lot's daughters raped him and bore his children.

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Originally Posted by mordwyr (Post 1706157)

He's free to think that. And I'm free to stop talking to him.

That's my point though. You should be able to have a conversation about your religion without feeling like you have to shut the person out because they disagree with you. You have to be accepting of other people's opinions on your beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1705872)

Thanks! So are these cycles just something that evolved over the centuries or was there some specific time they were set in motion?

Yes, it was something that evolved. It began with the patriarchs, mentioned in Psalms, then again in Acts. Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and Tertullian, who were early church fathers, wrote of them. Benedict of Nursia help further develop them and make them a part of monastic life. Various popes made revisions. Vatican II simplified them needs of today's apostolate and make them more accessible to the laity.

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Abraham got up early in the morning and went to a place where he stood before the Lord. This was called Shaharit (morning prayer). Isaac, a second founding patriarch, went to meditate in the field at eventide, and this was called Minhah (afternoon prayer). Jacob, a third founding patriarch, would pray the Ma’Ariv (evening prayer). All together, this triad fulfills the promise of Psalm 55:17: “Evening and morning and at noon will I pray and cry aloud, and he shall hear my voice.” This fixed-prayer ritual also paralleled that of the one prayed morning, evening and at night
in the Temple of Jerusalem until it was
destroyed in 70 A.D.

Exploring the origins of the Liturgy of the Hours pdf

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The early Christians continued the Jewish practice of reciting prayers at certain hours of the day or night. In the Psalms are found expressions like "in the morning I offer you my prayer"; "At midnight I will rise and thank you" ; "Evening, morning and at noon I will cry and lament"; "Seven times a day I praise you". The Apostles observed the Jewish custom of praying at the third, sixth and ninth hour and at midnight (Acts 10:3, 9; 16:25; etc.).

The Christian prayer of that time consisted of almost the same elements as the Jewish: recital or chanting of psalms, reading of the Old Testament, to which were soon added readings of the Gospels, Acts, and epistles, and canticles.[8] Other elements were added later in the course of the centuries.

Liturgy of the Hours Origins

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1706282)

That sounds different from the daily reading thing that mordwyr though. I was curious about those.

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Originally Posted by mordwyr (Post 1706283)

No, I don't. I will discuss with anyone who disagrees. But the moment they say "creepy" or "retarded" or "**** religion!!" or something like that, there's nothing more to say. It's no longer a discussion.

Yes it is a discussion. Some people will disagree with you so vociferously that to call it a simple, polite disagreement would be a disservice to their opinion. If you don't want to talk to these people then that's your choice, but you are limiting yourself to people who disagree with you to only a certain degree. Is that what Jesus would want?

What if they listen to your words but think some of them are creepy? Do you still have to leave town?

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Originally Posted by mordwyr (Post 1706290)

Matthew 10:14 records Jesus' words:

Well then Jesus is a small-minded twat.

Good god why are these *******s shoving Christianity down everyone's throats if that's what Jesus thought?