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Old 05-23-2016, 05:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Doesn't a deterministic universe imply lack of free will?
a deterministic universe implies lack of free will, yes.

a non-deterministic universe also means lack of free will. but everything is random. unlike in a deterministic universe.

either way... you have NO free will.
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Old 05-23-2016, 05:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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a deterministic universe implies lack of free will, yes.

a non-deterministic universe also means lack of free will. but everything is random. unlike in a deterministic universe.

either way... you have NO free will.
Yeah that's something that's always struck me about that. Even if, as my colleague The Butt Lard said, one of the mes did something different in the ∞ iterations of my life, can we really say that this difference is the result of "free will"?

I guess, then, the next question is "who gives a ****"? I know I'm not going to be all existential and mopey about it. Or the universe knows... whatever.
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a deterministic universe implies lack of free will, yes.

a non-deterministic universe also means lack of free will. but everything is random. unlike in a deterministic universe.

either way... you have NO free will.
I'm sorry, what evidence did you provide for a random universe? As far as I'm concerned, a random universe would require the same amount of magic as one ruled by God, so you've got some explaining to do.

And please do so in a way that a drunk might understand, for that is what I am.
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I'm sorry, what evidence did you provide for a random universe? As far as I'm concerned, a random universe would require the same amount of magic as one ruled by God, so you've got some explaining to do.

And please do so in a way that a drunk might understand, for that is what I am.
Yeah, I mean, I generally subscribe to a deterministic universe, since there doesn't seem to be any evidence otherwise, but... pansy... gay... boy... 69? brings up a good point. Whether or not the universe is random or deterministic, free will probably doesn't exist in any meaningful way. Actually, put in these terms, the whole thing seems like a silly question.
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Yeah, I mean, I generally subscribe to a deterministic universe, since there doesn't seem to be any evidence otherwise, but... pansy... gay... boy... 69? brings up a good point. Whether or not the universe is random or deterministic, free will probably doesn't exist in any meaningful way. Actually, put in these terms, the whole thing seems like a silly question.
I still say wussy***boy31 is full of ****, but whatevs.
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I still say wussy***boy31 is full of ****, but whatevs.
you know nothing about the universe you're just a drunk metal nerd
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I'm sorry, what evidence did you provide for a random universe? As far as I'm concerned, a random universe would require the same amount of magic as one ruled by God, so you've got some explaining to do.

And please do so in a way that a drunk might understand, for that is what I am.
why would a random universe require magic? why would a deterministic one NOT require magic? what is this magic you speak of?
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why would a random universe require magic? why would a deterministic one NOT require magic? what is this magic you speak of?
Math decides a deterministic universe. For a random universe to occur, 1 + 1 would at some point be required to equal a number other than 2. Math is easily proven. 1 + 1 = 3 is less easily proven.

And let's not bring up quantum physics, since nobody really understands it, and so it doesn't make sense to use it for an argument.
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Well this is all good, the next time my girlfriend beats me with her cane for jerking off before we get together, I can now say, that it is not my fault, for I was predestined to beat off before we met, and it was therefore beyond my control.

I am satisfied with this answer.

Ps; you shouldn't beat off 7 times a day, it will lower your zinc levels, and your hair will fall out
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