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Zhanteimi 05-30-2016 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1702837)
So...If there is no income tax, how do you pay for socially used systems such as busses, the police, motorways, government, welfare, public schoolsector, etc.

You don't. You keep everything private. Take the citizens' money out of the hands of the government. Consumption tax would be plenty to cover the costs of building roads and defending the borders, which are the only two things the federal government should be doing.

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mordwyr (Post 1702842)
You don't. You keep everything private. Take the citizens' money out of the hands of the government. Consumption tax would be plenty to cover the costs of building roads and defending the borders, which are the only two things the federal government should be doing.

A****INGMEN.

Has anyone else looked into what they spend our money on besides me.... 4000,00 on the effects of Swedish massage on rabbits. GO **** YOURSELF.

Side note to the tsa Holding people up at the airports is the new thing rn. LITERALLY HIGHWAY ROBBERY....

Zhanteimi 05-30-2016 04:46 AM

Like I said, keep everyone fat on pretend bread and their minds soft on imaginary circuses and you can set up tyranny right under people's noses. And when it's pointed out, all they'll say is wtf lol burp and then change the channel.

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mordwyr (Post 1702844)
Like I said, keep everyone fat on pretend bread and their minds soft on imaginary circuses and you can set up tyranny right under people's noses. And when it's pointed out, all they'll say is wtf lol burp and then change the channel.

It's because they have lived under tyranny their whole lives and never known it. Same as me. And you know what's funny when I lived outside of the US in many other countries, and on different continents save for the us. I was happy as a lark to go back to our version of tyranny. However it's been a slow rise of overt tyranny that's why people are sleeping through it. 9-11 started it.

You know what is wild I watched Enemy of the State last night with Will Smith, what that came out in 99 if only we looked at that as a documentary because 2 years later they asked us to give away all our privacy and rights in the name of terror and we ****ing just handed them over like cowards. I was laughing because that film kinda warns you about what they had the capablity to do in the ****in 90s . The **** we have now is insanity.




We have gone from covert tyranny to overt tyranny. And its funny to me being called a conspiracy theorist, because it's part of American make up man that's why there is a second amendment because the US isn't exempt from becoming like china. And there will come a day, and it appears it's fast approaching where people like myself will be jailed for our opinions, on things, politically, and environmentally, so to speak. I wish I could find that clip of Hillary at one of her ralleys screaming we need more camps for adults in this country... Lmao bitch you mean labor camps.... ahahhah... hang on lemme look.




Here ya go. :laughing: camps you all run.... ahahah you mean labor camps... what are they gonna give me a disney hat while they lead me to the gas chambers?

Nobody but me, finds this disturbing? I mean really. She is telling us her ****ing plan, and people are clapping like we are all gonna be sitting cross legged singing around a camp fire with her communing with nature.

Frownland 05-30-2016 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1702816)
Hate speech is unconstitutional bro. ( I meant to answer you days ago brother.) The very idea that you can be locked up for your words, and thoughts is a very slippery slope it gets into thought crime territory. Last time I checked words only hurt feelings. And as long as what you are saying isn't killing, jailing, or taxing someone it's perfectly legal. It doesn't mean you aren't free to walk away from someone spewing the ****. But it's perfectly legal for people say what they want to whomever they want, and the government can't step in, in any way.


Brother they censor the press that's laughable they direct the press on what to say. Because the media is part of the long arm of big brother. It's part of their propaganda machine. So when they kidnapped 9 members of the press during the 08 elections on a plane no less that's censorship. No sir that's shanghaied.

This is the only one I sorta agree with you on. Taxation of income is theft. The IRS, needs to be audited them damn selves. However I agree yes churches should be taxed on certain things. Land tax, and various city taxes. However, taxation on tithes, or donations from the congregation is unthinkable. It should be up to the church community to audit the pastors, of the church, because there is indeed separation between church and state. and the government has no say in that under the first amendment.

Uh, did you read someone else's post? I said freedom of speech ends if there was a valid threat. Learn to read.

And as someone with journalistic experience the whole government forcing the press's hand conspiracy is very cute.

Lilja 05-30-2016 08:30 AM

Don't people who don't make that much end up paying more tax with a consumtion tax since they live more "hand to mouth" and buy more rather than save more? Just a question.

Just to say, we have a consumption tax where I live instead of a fluctuating sales tax such as in the US: But we also have income tax. We did not replace one with the other.

The Batlord 05-30-2016 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1702839)
We didn't start paying income taxes until '35 and we had all that jazz before.

THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID! THEY ARE TAXING US FOR WORKING. MAN WHAT THE ****. Oh wait are you one of those carbon taxers? I AM NOT PAYING TO BREATH thank you.

Very much incorrect. We had temporary income taxes several times in the 1800s, but it was in 1913 that the 16th Amendment passed and we had a permanent one. I don't know where you got 1935 from.

Chula Vista 05-30-2016 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mordwyr (Post 1702842)
You don't. You keep everything private. Take the citizens' money out of the hands of the government. Consumption tax would be plenty to cover the costs of building roads and defending the borders, which are the only two things the federal government should be doing.

So privatization is your answer?

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1702897)
Uh, did you read someone else's post? I said freedom of speech ends if there was a valid threat. Learn to read.

And as someone with journalistic experience the whole government forcing the press's hand conspiracy is very cute.

Nigga they put them on a plane in hopes of a conversation with both candidates plane takes off candidates not on the plane but at a hilton near by, and then they were told that they weren't coming at all. That's freedom of the press?

Also some journalists are just dumbasses. ;) not all of them are in on it. Small club.

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1702917)
So privatization is your answer?

Why do you want the government up your ass so bad?

I believe he means privacy for the PEOPLE.

Frownland 05-30-2016 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1702974)
Nigga they put them on a plane in hopes of a conversation with both candidates plane takes off candidates not on the plane but at a hilton near by, and then they were told that they weren't coming at all. That's freedom of the press?

Also some journalists are just dumbasses. ;) not all of them are in on it. Small club.

Wow you really dismantled a whole lot there. You keep doing what you're doing Roxxy.

Chula Vista 05-30-2016 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1702976)
Why do you want the government up your ass so bad?

Why do you want private for profit corporations up your ass? It's amazing how well that's worked with banks and pharmaceutical companies. You want jails, police departments, fire departments, etc. all privatized too?

911: Hello?
Me: Come quick my house is on fire!
911: What's your address?
Me: 1234 Main St.
911: I'm sorry, says here your monthly payment is overdue.
Me: Ya, I'm a little short this month because my car broke down.
911: Again, I'm sorry. *click*

Before you come back with a crack:

Firefighters let home burn over $75 fee -- again - U.S. News

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 10:48 AM

Bro I want no one in my ass, that I don't want to be there. HOW BOUT DAT. IT'S MY ASS.

Bro, I DON'T WANT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT UP MY ASS.

Not my local fire department not putting my house fire out. The fire dept is local.

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1702982)
Wow you really dismantled a whole lot there. You keep doing what you're doing Roxxy.

I learned my insult slinging and not addressing issues from watching you ok. I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU. FEEL BAD.

Frownland 05-30-2016 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1703025)
Bro I want no one in my ass, that I don't want to be there. HOW BOUT DAT. IT'S MY ASS.

Bro, I DON'T WANT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT UP MY ASS.

Not my local fire department not putting my house fire out. The fire dept is local.

That's very egomaniacal to think that the government really finds you that important. It's a bogeyman that's not hurting you in the way that you think it is.

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 10:54 AM

Bro.... they hate you and your saxaphone and dilf bod too. Not just me trust me. Im not that special. ITS A WAR ON ALL HUMANITY.

Frownland 05-30-2016 10:56 AM

EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE!

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RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1703027)
That's very egomaniacal to think that the government really finds you that important. It's a bogeyman that's not hurting you in the way that you think it is.

ok really it's not trying to get me personally for almost 1 million dollars I don't owe them.
They didn't let people drink poisoned water in flint.
They didn't make it so now people have to string together 3 partime jobs to make living.

They aren't taxing the ever loving **** outta the people?
They aren't insulting every ****ing friend this country has.

ok.

Yep it's just schizo roxo they hate. NO THEY HATE YOU TOO PIMP I PROMISE.

The Batlord 05-30-2016 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1703034)
Bro.... they hate you and your saxaphone and dilf bod too. Not just me trust me. Im not that special. ITS A WAR ON ALL HUMANITY.

Not really proof of anything. Everyone hates his saxophone.

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1703037)
EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE!

k

Try opening your eyes bro it's ****ing every where. Im not tryna be a bitch but our government is corrupt and in bed with the media, entertainment industry, and corporations.

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1703039)
Not really proof of anything. Everyone hates his saxophone.

what about his dilf bod hunh? :laughing:

Frownland 05-30-2016 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1703038)
ok really it's not trying to get me personally for almost 1 million dollars I don't owe them.

Wut. I'm guessing that they don't care about money you don't owe them either.

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They didn't let people drink poisoned water in flint.
They didn't make it so now people have to string together 3 partime jobs to make living.
Small town infrastructure failure is not a war on humans. Lack of regulation on companies made it difficult for people to earn living wages with one job so it sounds like you're going socialist. Awesome!

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They aren't taxing the ever loving **** outta the people?
Some people are overtaxed and some are waaaaaay undertaxed. Luckily, I'm not of be mindset that taxes are super duper evil and scary like ole Limbaugh told you.

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They aren't insulting every ****ing friend this country has.
Pfffhahahaha

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Yep it's just schizo roxo they hate. NO THEY HATE YOU TOO PIMP I PROMISE.
Specify they and maybe you'll look a little more credible. It's fun to be scared of nothing Roxxy, sometimes we do it just to kill time without realizing it.

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 11:03 AM

bro they is your government. that you pay to be there.

Chula Vista 05-30-2016 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1703025)
Bro I want no one in my ass, that I don't want to be there. HOW BOUT DAT. IT'S MY ASS.

Bro, I DON'T WANT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT UP MY ASS.

Not my local fire department not putting my house fire out. The fire dept is local.

So you have no problem paying state and local taxes? It's just the federal taxes you have problems with?

What parts of this do you take issue with?

http://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/fi...?itok=fqita01H

Frownland 05-30-2016 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1703041)
Try opening your eyes bro it's ****ing every where. Im not tryna be a bitch but our government is corrupt and in bed with the media, entertainment industry, and corporations.

Assume that I'm blind or I'll continue to assume that you're hallucinating then. I really just think that you're making all of this **** to be way more apocalyptic than it really is. **** yes the government is in bed with corporations. That's why we need to reinstate heavy taxes on them that were cut during the deregulatory period of the Bush years.

Don't just vomit you're opinion all over us without backing it up. Assume we're all as dumb and brainwashed as you claim we are.

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1703045)
Wut. I'm guessing that they don't care about money you don't owe them either.

Uhh yeah they care nigga, they call my attorney every tax season, he's a ****ing saint keeps them off my ass. he's worth every high priced cent I pay him.

Frownland 05-30-2016 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1703048)
bro they is your government. that you pay to be there.

That is absolutely not vague at all. Roxxy you are the debate queen.

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1703053)
Uhh yeah they care nigga, they call my attorney every tax season, he's a ****ing saint keeps them off my ass. he's worth every high priced cent I pay him.

Lmao so you're talking about your taxes? You totally owe them that. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1703051)
Assume that I'm blind or I'll continue to assume that you're hallucinating then. I really just think that you're making all of this **** to be way more apocalyptic than it really is. **** yes the government is in bed with corporations. That's why we need to reinstate heavy taxes on them that were cut during the deregulatory period of the Bush years.

Don't just vomit you're opinion all over us without backing it up. Assume we're all as dumb and brainwashed as you claim we are.

I never said that you said that. I just 'vomit' my opinons you can listen or not. All I want to do is warn people I care about because I see my country being face ****ed. Do you remember our country before 9/11? I sure as **** do.

But the ORACLE says stockpile food.

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1703049)
So you have no problem paying state and local taxes? It's just the federal taxes you have problems with?

What parts of this do you take issue with?

http://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/fi...?itok=fqita01H

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH STEALING FROM MY PAY CHECK. INCOME TAX. DUDE ask me personally I'll give, just don't ****ing steal from me and call it something else.

The Batlord 05-30-2016 11:11 AM

http://www.yourvibration.com/wp-cont...73702176-2.jpg

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1703054)
That is absolutely not vague at all. Roxxy you are the debate queen.



Lmao so you're talking about your taxes? You totally owe them that. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Uhh no dude I inherited my moms issues when she died when I was 8. I don't owe them ****. Who lets an 8 year old manage tax issues.

Frownland 05-30-2016 11:12 AM

I say stockpile the meds you forgot to take. ****s fine, you just haven't picked up on the fact that the media has become more ubiquitous and it's given you mean world syndrome. It's why you think that this **** that's been going on but not really exposed is going to be apocalyptic this time around and when you do that it makes quite a leap in any conventional type of logic.

Frownland 05-30-2016 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1703060)
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH STEALING FROM MY PAY CHECK. INCOME TAX. DUDE ask me personally I'll give, just don't ****ing steal from me and call it something else.

Nah you absolutely owe them taxes. Saying that you don't is like denying that it's raining outside when there's a hurricane going down. Grow up.

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 11:14 AM

still got nothing to say other than attack my mental health.

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1703066)
Nah you absolutely owe them taxes. Saying that you don't is like denying that it's raining outside when there's a hurricane going down. Grow up.

THESE ARE MY MOTHERS TAX ISSUES DUDE. NOT MINE. I had no control over what happened to her and who took over my money when she died I WAS A MINOR.

Frownland 05-30-2016 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1703067)
still got nothing to say other than attack my mental health.

Read the part that I wrote after the joke.

Frownland 05-30-2016 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1703068)
THESE ARE MY MOTHERS TAX ISSUES DUDE. NOT MINE. I had no control over what happened to her and who took over my money when she died I WAS A MINOR.

I wasn't saying anything about that. I was talking about your response to Chula's graphic. The inheritance system includes debt and that sucks. I don't know what to say beyond that.

Chula Vista 05-30-2016 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1703060)
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH STEALING FROM MY PAY CHECK. INCOME TAX. DUDE ask me personally I'll give, just don't ****ing steal from me and call it something else.

What if they ask 3 million people nicely to help fund the programs listed in that chart and only half of them agree to give? Then the whole system breaks down. That's when you'd have anarchy and riots. Making in mandatory is the only way to guarantee that the system will work.

RoxyRollah 05-30-2016 11:19 AM

Brother ask me, don't steal from me. I am sorry but you aint gonna change that. Income taxes weren't part of our constitution from jump. I don't believe in them. YET I PAY THEM only because they can hurt you. That's it. I unwillingly pay this. I am being robbed that simple. Only its not at gun point. Ask and I'll write them a ****ing check.

Frownland 05-30-2016 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1703072)
Brother ask me, don't steal from me. I am sorry but you aint gonna change that. Income taxes weren't part of our constitution from jump. I don't believe in them. YET I PAY THEM only because they can hurt you. That's it. I unwillingly pay this. I am being robbed that simple. Only its not at gun point. Ask and I'll write them a ****ing check.

Rape isn't in the constitution.


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