Internet censorship and the death of free speech.

The Batlord · 05-23-2016, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Damnit! Why did God hijack this thread?

It's all God's will, bitch. God can't hijack a thread that he created in the first place. On a related note, I'd like to thank God for XHamster, Youporn, Redtube, etc.

kibbeh · 05-23-2016, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

So if I abstain from beating off for four days so I can dump a big load into my girlfriend, that's not free will?

Or has that already been pre determined by the reward of abstinence if I refrain? And what happens if I can't control myself and beat off? Is that a result of faulty genetics or a personality fault?

Explain, enquiring minds want to know?

a physiologist named benjamin libet proved in 1980 that there is no free will. it was assumed that electrical activity builds up in a persons brain while they are making a decision to do something.. for example to move your hand or foot. but he has proven that this buildup of electrical activity happens after a person even makes this so-called conscious decision. AFTER your brain decides you want to move your hand or foot or whatever, then there is electrical activity which goes to show that you are not making any conscious decisions.

ITS DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN THIS IN ENGLISH BUT IT MAKES SENSE

if you jerk off every hour... you are doing so unconsciously. you have not decided to jerk off with your free will. you have no free will. you are not in control of anything. not even your penis.

Neapolitan · 05-23-2016, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel

Read my last post. There are still issues with using free will to defend against the problem of evil.

Please say "please" when you ask, cause unless you respect my free will, I won't read your last post.

I think of the story of serpent tempting Eve with the fruit from the center of the garden as an allegory about free will. Really Eve should had been freaked out when she saw a talking serpent, maybe ran away. Instead she stayed and chat it up with the serpent and used her free will to eat the fruit.

kibbeh · 05-23-2016, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

unless you respect my free will, I won't read your last post.

sorry but there's no such thing as free will

DeadChannel · 05-23-2016, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Please say "please" when you ask, cause unless you respect my free will, I won't read your last post.

I think of the story of serpent tempting Eve with the fruit from the center of the garden as an allegory about free will. Really Eve should had been freaked out when she saw a talking serpent, maybe ran away. Instead she stayed and chat it up with the serpent and used her free will to eat the fruit.

Pretty please read my last post. I'll even quote it for you:

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel

There are a number of problems with this defence. I'll go through them:

1) The contention is that free will exists, and therefore evil exists because humanity is imperfect. However, in Christianity, it is usually believed that heaven is a perfect place free of suffering and hardship. Then, does free will exist in heaven?

If free will does exist in heaven, then that proves that there are ways that God could prevent suffering without infringing upon free will. Why then does he not use these tactics on earth.

If free will does not exist in heaven, then it isn't heaven at all.

2) Any imperfection in hummanity is ultimately the intentional result of God's actions. Yes, the serpent made eve eat from the tree of knowledge, but God is omnipotent, so he could have totally prevented that. Therefore, by virtue of his omnipotence, evil is still the intentional, fully consenting fault of God.

3) This goes back to the first point: surely God has other means by which he can stop suffering. Why didn't God just stop the gas from flowing into the chambers? Why didn't he make it so that there was a miscount in the votes, so that Hitler wasn't ever elected? For that matter, why didn't he kill Hitler outright? He seems to have no problems with that in the rest of the bible.

4) Not all suffering is the direct result of human free will. Why does God allow natural disasters to happen?

And, for what it's worth, refusing to even respond to someone's points is a hella good way to kill perfectly good discourse. But let's not getting into a meta argument. Tell me why I'm wrong. Please.

William_the_Bloody · 05-23-2016, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pansy gayboy 69

if you jerk off every hour... you are doing so unconsciously. you have not decided to jerk off with your free will. you have no free will. you are not in control of anything. not even your penis.

That's a bit confusing, so if the energy build up happens after I beat off, isn't that just the result of exhuming the energy to stroke my rod?

Why would it matter if the energy build up happens before or after I beat off in regards my decision to crack open the baby oil? Explain further please.

kibbeh · 05-23-2016, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

That's a bit confusing, so if the energy build up happens after I beat off, isn't that just the result of exhuming the energy to stroke my rod?

Why would it matter if the energy build up happens before or after I beat off in regards my decision to crack open the baby oil? Explain further please.

well it matters because scientists have always believed that electrical activity builds up AS you are making a decision.. since you are conscious and making an active decision, you see.

but if that activity in your brain only occurs AFTER you have decided to jerk off it means you did not make a conscious decision to jerk off. because if you had done that... there would be electrical activity in your brain.

the universe is not deterministic. it is all random. there is no free will.

i jerk off 7 times a day. but thats okay because i am not making a conscious decision to jerk off. the universe just wants me to.

DeadChannel · 05-23-2016, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pansy gayboy 69

well it matters because scientists have always believed that electrical activity builds up AS you are making a decision.. since you are conscious and making an active decision, you see.

but if that activity in your brain only occurs AFTER you have decided to jerk off it means you did not make a conscious decision to jerk off. because if you had done that... there would be electrical activity in your brain.

the universe is not deterministic. it is all random. there is no free will.

i jerk off 7 times a day. but thats okay because i am not making a conscious decision to jerk off. the universe just wants me to.

Doesn't a deterministic universe imply lack of free will?

The Batlord · 05-23-2016, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

So if I abstain from beating off for four days so I can dump a big load into my girlfriend, that's not free will?

Or has that already been pre determined by the reward of abstinence if I refrain? And what happens if I can't control myself and beat off? Is that a result of faulty genetics or a personality fault?

Explain, enquiring minds want to know?

Up till now the world has been shown to be naturalistic, so the assumption is that you need to prove that it isn't. "Free will" in the popularly understood term, basically means that if you did the same thing in an identical world ∞ times, in ∞ independent experiments, where you (∞ times) had no idea of the results or existence of the other ∞ yous or identical worlds, as if all ∞ of you were completely independent of each other, that at least 1 of you would do something at least somewhat different, no matter how insignificant. Otherwise, you are basically just a clone, and no matter how many times you are given the chance to do something, you will always, ALWAYS do the exact same thing, down to picking the exact same booger at the exact same time.

This makes sense in a naturalistic universe, because it would be ruled entirely by mathematical formulae, which would decide everything from... god damn it I already talked about the bouncing of balls and the action of humans in relation to a universe where God is omnipotent, but it's the same principal. It's all ruled by math. 1 +1 will always = 2, and even if the circumstances around the decision of one human being at one specific point in time are hard to calculate, that does not mean that they are not deterministic, and...

I'm too drunk for this. Bye.

kibbeh · 05-23-2016, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel

Doesn't a deterministic universe imply lack of free will?

a deterministic universe implies lack of free will, yes.

a non-deterministic universe also means lack of free will. but everything is random. unlike in a deterministic universe.

either way... you have NO free will.