Internet censorship and the death of free speech.

**Frownland** · 05-23-2016, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I realize this, but I still kind of feel that most people don't really think about that part of their beliefs too deeply. They just kinda, "Yeah, so... Jesus and ****, why don't we get back to all the nice tales about walking on water and helping your fellow man, and forget all this vengeance stuff? Makes me sad in the pants."

So when I see someone justify the Nazis as a way to purge non-believers, it puts cracks in what little faith I still have in humanity.

If it's any consolation, he likes Dream Theater.

RoxyRollah · 05-23-2016, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Congratulations. You've done the impossible. You've legitimately offended me, and not in some sanctimonious SJW way. Like, my core values, such as they are, just flexed.

You believe that it is tolerable for a being to allow people to be worked to death, starved until they were human skeletons, tricked into a shower to be murdered by Zyklon-B gas, shot en masse and buried in a mass grave, have their corpses stripped of even their gold fillings before being incinerated, etc, etc, etc, all because they weren't "worshipping him in the right way"?

What the **** is wrong with your beliefs? I'm seriously not trolling you, because if you truly believe what you just said then I'm not just trying to **** with you. If that's what God is really like, then **** him. **** HIM. I'll stand at the right hand of the devil with a gun in each hand, just waiting for my chance to put two in-between Jehovah's soulless eyes.

Just... what the ****, dude? Like, I'm not even offended so much on behalf of the Jews. I'm mostly flabbergasted that people can believe what you just stated. It makes the world feel like a more hostile place.

you offended on behalf of the jews....Ahaha.

Chula Vista · 05-23-2016, 01:30 PM

My biggest beef with Christianity is pretty simple. According to the bible:

Person (A) can be a wonderful, generous, giving person their whole life. But if when they die they have not chosen Jesus as their savior they are damned to an eternity in hell.

Person (B) can be a life long pedophile, animal abuser, sadistic torturer, thief, and all around scumbag, but if on their deathbed they ask for a priest and decide to choose Jesus as their savior then they are granted entrance into heaven.

Talk about a vain deity.

Re: Free speech. There's always exceptions. Always. You'll get arrested if you yell fire in a movie theater or bomb on an airplane. If you publicly speak up about wanting to kill the president expect a visit from the Secret Service. If you run a newspaper and decide to print a story about pipe bombs including directions on how to build one, your paper will be shut down until the story is retracted. Just a few of many examples of exceptions to the whole Free Speech thing.

Some people just take the amendments too damn literal and black or white.

Re. the 2nd. Right to bear arms and how some people say that means zero exceptions. So any person should be able to own a fully automatic machine gun? A sawed off shotgun? Or should be able to just walk into a gun show and buy 50 handguns without any checks or balances?

And to those who hate socialism. You realize that your local fire and police departments are examples of socialism. Same goes for the post office and the interstate highway system. It's not all black or white in the real world in spite of what a lots of people's rhetoric would have you believe.

**Frownland** · 05-23-2016, 01:33 PM

I know it's your big issue, but this has nothing to do with the second amendment.

Chula Vista · 05-23-2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I know it's your big issue, but this has nothing to do with the second amendment.

It also has nothing to do with Dream Theater.

**Frownland** · 05-23-2016, 01:36 PM

Me bringing up ****ty music was a little more relevant to the discussion than just babbling about the second amendment.

DeadChannel · 05-23-2016, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Then don't you think it's possible that they were rejecting God's ways? Or at least worshipping him in their own ways instead of the right way? Everyone is human. I think God lifted his protection, and saved them when they cried for help. I mean, it took the Israelites decades to cry out to the lord for help after first being enslaved by the Egyptians, and he sent Moses to save them. If that's the case, it only took the Jews around five years. The cycle goes like this, and is a common theme in the Bible. People rejects God's ways/worship in pagan or incorrect ways. God lifts his protection. The devil comes right in and causes a great pain. People cry for God again. God protects and saves them. And then the cycle continues because mankind is so changeable. I'm no holocaust expert, but I wouldn't doubt that's the case. Even I have different beliefs from some Jewish customs. Not saying the Jews are total sinners, but any religion can be changed. Heck, people leave and join churches because of great changes that happen.

Yeah, man, that's pretty hardcore ****ed up. If God's willing to look the other way while Hitler's killing six million Jews, because the Jews are worshiping him in the wrong way, then it seems to me that God is very nearly as bad as Hitler. But hey, he's gonna torture me forever for calling him out on his ****, right?

Plus, how do you know that your religion is more correct that Judaism? None of you guys have a leg to stand on, so these sort of claims are for the birds, man

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

And to those who hate socialism. You realize that your local fire and police departments are examples of socialism. Same goes for the post office and the interstate highway system. It's not all black or white in the real world in spite of what a lots of people's rhetoric would have you believe.

Chula, I totally agree with you insofar as I think that our economy is organized in such a way that makes strong social programs necessary, and it doesn't look like that's changing any time soon, but misusing the word socialism really get on my nerves. Does the proletariat have control of the means of production? Then it's not socialism.

Despite his claims otherwise, Bernie isn't a socialist by any reasonable standard. Although I'd totally vote for him if I was American.

The Batlord · 05-23-2016, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

you offended on behalf of the jews....Ahaha.

I hear some jackass came back from the dead a while back, so clearly stranger things have happened.

The Batlord · 05-23-2016, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel

Yeah, man, that's pretty hardcore ****ed up. If God's willing to look the other way while Hitler's killing six million Jews, because the Jews are worshiping him in the wrong way, then it seems to me that God is very nearly as bad as Hitler. But hey, he's gonna torture me forever for calling him out on his ****, right?

Plus, how do you know that your religion is more correct that Judaism? None of you guys have a leg to stand on, so these sort of claims are for the birds, man

Worse. Hitler just did it the once, and it's not like he had any real appreciation for what he was getting himself into beforehand. He might have purged some political rivals earlier, but straight up genocide was probably beyond his ability to truly understand. God's seen this same **** countless times, has the ability to contemplate the sheer horror of all that was the Holocaust, and yet still gave it the thumbs up.

Chula Vista · 05-23-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel

Does the proletariat have control of the means of production?

Yes and no. The working class pays taxes which pays for the Fire and Police departments. Yet they have no say in how those agencies are run.

05-23-2016, 01:30 PM	#183 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	My biggest beef with Christianity is pretty simple. According to the bible: Person (A) can be a wonderful, generous, giving person their whole life. But if when they die they have not chosen Jesus as their savior they are damned to an eternity in hell. Person (B) can be a life long pedophile, animal abuser, sadistic torturer, thief, and all around scumbag, but if on their deathbed they ask for a priest and decide to choose Jesus as their savior then they are granted entrance into heaven. Talk about a vain deity. Re: Free speech. There's always exceptions. Always. You'll get arrested if you yell fire in a movie theater or bomb on an airplane. If you publicly speak up about wanting to kill the president expect a visit from the Secret Service. If you run a newspaper and decide to print a story about pipe bombs including directions on how to build one, your paper will be shut down until the story is retracted. Just a few of many examples of exceptions to the whole Free Speech thing. Some people just take the amendments too damn literal and black or white. Re. the 2nd. Right to bear arms and how some people say that means zero exceptions. So any person should be able to own a fully automatic machine gun? A sawed off shotgun? Or should be able to just walk into a gun show and buy 50 handguns without any checks or balances? And to those who hate socialism. You realize that your local fire and police departments are examples of socialism. Same goes for the post office and the interstate highway system. It's not all black or white in the real world in spite of what a lots of people's rhetoric would have you believe. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

05-23-2016, 01:33 PM	#184 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I know it's your big issue, but this has nothing to do with the second amendment. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-23-2016, 01:36 PM	#186 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Me bringing up ***ty music was a little more relevant to the discussion than just babbling about the second amendment. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.* d e a f b o x