Brexit? Yay or Nay.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 05-28-2019, 02:29 PM

Ori how are you feeling today mate?

OccultHawk · 05-28-2019, 02:42 PM

Fluff

Would you admit May was in an unwinnable situation?

~~Cuthbert~~ · 05-28-2019, 03:10 PM

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Fluff

Would you admit May was in an unwinnable situation?

Probably but as she called the snap election in 2017 and lost her majority because of her bizarre policies it's her own fault. Maybe if she had those extra Tory votes she would have been able to get a deal through.

David Cameron should have been the one to sort it out.

Oriphiel · 05-28-2019, 06:03 PM

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Ori how are you feeling today mate?

*shrug* Had a good wank. Wrote. Went to work. Why, you cruising for a piece of ass?

The Batlord · 05-28-2019, 06:14 PM

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Why, you cruising for a piece of ass?

I wasn't before, but...

Neapolitan · 05-28-2019, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

it is a political argument or some kind of opinion at the least to say that X population density is too high

the point of humanism is that it considers human lives equally regardless of nationality

But what I am getting at is that you immediately dismiss what Lins cause you deemed it as "naltionalist." Instead taking what he said and pondering the effects of over-population on an island with finite space and resources (which one would thing would be a humanity issues since it effects everyone regardless of politics) and you deemed it a political argument. Instead talking about fixing the problem where it starts so they don't have to flee, you rather thought-police people into having no opinion on the matter. You don't see it but you are playing favorites. That is not being equal.

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so then we're talking about entire refugee families dying horrible deaths vs. Lisnaholic waiting in a longer line at the grocery

Bernie Sanders's mini-me.

The Batlord · 05-28-2019, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

But what I am getting at is that you immediately dismiss what Lins cause you deemed it as "naltionalist." Instead taking what he said and pondering the effects of over-population on an island with finite space and resources (which one would thing would be a humanity issues since it effects everyone regardless of politics) and you deemed it a political argument. Instead talking about fixing the problem where it starts so they don't have to flee, you rather thought-police people into having no opinion on the matter. You don't see it but you are playing favorites. That is not being equal.

Even if what you were saying was 100% true, you do not live in England and care nothing about their situation, you just care about using their nationalism to justify your nationalism.

Neapolitan · 05-28-2019, 07:55 PM

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Even if what you were saying was 100% true, you do not live in England and care nothing about their situation, you just care about using their nationalism to justify your nationalism.

And who are you to say what I do and don't care about? That kind of response is leaning towards thought-policing, and arrogance. Say (hypothetically) if Brexit happens and "Brussels" takes the piss out of the UK, it will affect US and all other countries tied to the UK economically.

The Batlord · 05-28-2019, 07:58 PM

Because you don't, you just care about goofy right wing Evangelical nonsense.

Lisnaholic · 05-28-2019, 09:02 PM

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Because you don't, you just care about goofy right wing Evangelical nonsense.

^ This looks to me like an off-the-scale irrelevant and unjustified personal attack on Neapolitan. Frankly, I think you should delete it or apologise, if not I'll be trying out that "Report" button in half an hour or so - not to get you banned but to restore some dispassionate fairness to this debate.

Neapolitan makes an unarguable point that nobody here knows how much others care on the topic of European migration, so trying to score points about who cares more is futile.
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Most people just want Immigration to be somewhat controlled and limited, not to isolate themselves completely.
There's nothing wrong with that sentiment and calling everyone a Nazi is dumb, uncalled for and only strengthens the political right.

^ Thanks for your perspective from inside Europe, grindy. I agree completely.

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But what I am getting at is that you immediately dismiss what Lins cause you deemed it as "naltionalist." Instead taking what he said and pondering the effects of over-population on an island with finite space and resources (which one would thing would be a humanity issues since it effects everyone regardless of politics) and you deemed it a political argument. Instead talking about fixing the problem where it starts so they don't have to flee, you rather thought-police people into having no opinion on the matter. You don't see it but you are playing favorites. That is not being equal.

Thank you for coming to my defense Neapolitan.

As you say, my argument was about pop density and I also don't quite get elph's logic whereby he dismisses that as "political".

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Originally Posted by elphenor

it is a political argument or some kind of opinion at the least to say that X population density is too high

the point of humanism is that it considers human lives equally regardless of nationality

^ This is a principle that I would subscribe to.

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so then we're talking about entire refugee families dying horrible deaths vs. Lisnaholic waiting in a longer line at the grocery

^ Of course in an argument everyone chooses examples that bolster their case. An equally valid alternative to your vs. is this one:-

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refugees settle in England and flourish in a country that does, btw, permit immigration and provides many state benefits for people at subsistance level vs. Lisna's entire family struggle to get a job, a house or a heart operation because of saturation of the infrastructure.

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And here´s a question that I hope is relevant: How many people on MB have a lock on their front door or a wall to their garden? That right there is your own personal immigration policy: the notion that what you have is yours and you want some control over who wanders in and shares it with you. That, afaik, is the point me, grindy and Neapolitan are making. How can such a universal human instinct be considered right-wing or nationalistic?

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