Brexit? Yay or Nay.

Lisnaholic · 01-14-2019, 07:00 PM

^

Good point!

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-15-2019, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

^ Yes, and I can't believe that with something so important to the UK's future, I have no idea what result would be best for the country, what with all these options swirling around:
May's Deal, Crash out, postpone Brexit date, General Election, Second Referendum.
Is it me or has Brit politics become some inscrutable dithering morass that is beyond the comprehension of the electorate?

Best result:

Deal voted down, Brexit cancelled and a General Election called.

J-Dogg in number 10 by the summer.

Vote is happening in an hour. It looks absolutely nuts outside Parliament Square.

🇬🇧🇪🇺

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-15-2019, 01:41 PM

Deal rejected.

MPs voting for - 202
MPs voting against - 432

She lost by 230, which is more than was even predicted.

The Batlord · 01-15-2019, 01:43 PM

Does this mean that Britain looks like a bunch of morons who don't know what they want and the rest of Europe is going to ignore anything they say because they don't even know if they want to be here?

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-16-2019, 06:42 AM

71 Labour MPs back second referendum.

Lisnaholic · 01-16-2019, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Does this mean that Britain looks like a bunch of morons who don't know what they want and the rest of Europe is going to ignore anything they say because they don't even know if they want to be here?

^ I'm ashamed to say that it's difficult to dispute that intepretation.

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Originally Posted by Fluff

71 Labour MPs back second referendum.

I wonder how much of a percentage that is, Fluff? Maybe half the Labour MPs?

I'm pretty sure that in a second referendum the Remainers would win, because the last two years have demonstrated how Brexit politicians have so often promised things that are either unobtainable or economic suicide. Still in my mind is a soundbite from someone who voted for Brexit: the day after the referendum she said, "I never expected Leave to win. Now I wish I'd voted Remain."

Like Little Miss Banghead above, I think quite a few people would secretly like a chance to reconsider their original votes. To discover how many, why don't we have a referendum about having a second referendum?

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-16-2019, 09:13 AM

There's no reason not to have a second referendum now that the deal has been finalised and rejected.

Lisnaholic · 01-16-2019, 10:18 AM

Yep, I'm beginning to see it as the best way forward at this point. Two years back a second ref was fairly criticised as sounding like, "I didn't like the first result. Do it again until I get the result I want." But now, two years down the road, that argument is not so valid: we've had 2 yrs of learning what Brexit might mean, so a re-appraisal makes sense.

With luck, a second ref would show a clear majority for Remain. If it's just a near thing, people will start demanding a "best of three" decider, which even to me begins to sound like taking democracy a little too far.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-16-2019, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Yep, I'm beginning to see it as the best way forward at this point. Two years back a second ref was fairly criticised as sounding like, "I didn't like the first result. Do it again until I get the result I want." But now, two years down the road, that argument is not so valid: we've had 2 yrs of learning what Brexit might mean, so a re-appraisal makes sense.

With luck, a second ref would show a clear majority for Remain. If it's just a near thing, people will start demanding a "best of three" decider, which even to me begins to sound like taking democracy a little too far.

It's the best solution right now, imo.

We had a referendum on membership decades ago and the result was in favour so if it's only one referendum then the BREXIT MEANS BREXIT lot must accept that the second one in 2016 is null and void.

So there we have it. Stop Brexit! The people have spoken!

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-16-2019, 05:42 PM

No? She said a GE would send Britain into chaos. You must have heard wrong.

01-14-2019, 07:00 PM	#761 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	^ Good point! __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

01-16-2019, 10:18 AM	#768 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	Yep, I'm beginning to see it as the best way forward at this point. Two years back a second ref was fairly criticised as sounding like, "I didn't like the first result. Do it again until I get the result I want." But now, two years down the road, that argument is not so valid: we've had 2 yrs of learning what Brexit might mean, so a re-appraisal makes sense. With luck, a second ref would show a clear majority for Remain. If it's just a near thing, people will start demanding a "best of three" decider, which even to me begins to sound like taking democracy a little too far. __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

01-15-2019, 01:41 PM	#763 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	Deal rejected. MPs voting for - 202 MPs voting against - 432 She lost by 230, which is more than was even predicted.

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~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	71 Labour MPs back second referendum.

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~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	There's no reason not to have a second referendum now that the deal has been finalised and rejected.

01-16-2019, 05:42 PM	#770 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	No? She said a GE would send Britain into chaos. You must have heard wrong.