Lisnaholic

Yep, I'm beginning to see it as the best way forward at this point. Two years back a second ref was fairly criticised as sounding like, "I didn't like the first result. Do it again until I get the result I want." But now, two years down the road, that argument is not so valid: we've had 2 yrs of learning what Brexit might mean, so a re-appraisal makes sense.

With luck, a second ref would show a clear majority for Remain. If it's just a near thing, people will start demanding a "best of three" decider, which even to me begins to sound like taking democracy a little too far.

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Cuthbert

It's the best solution right now, imo.

We had a referendum on membership decades ago and the result was in favour so if it's only one referendum then the BREXIT MEANS BREXIT lot must accept that the second one in 2016 is null and void.

So there we have it. Stop Brexit! The people have spoken!

Cuthbert

😂 Ffs

Cuthbert

Yeah or a leadership contest for the Tory party but she won it by 19 votes so there won't be an election right now.

I would not rule out an election later this year though.

Lisnaholic

Here's a very convincing pro-Remain speech from a week ago ( and a photo of the 2011 Tottenham riots that he refs at the start) :-


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Cuthbert

https://news.sky.com/story/we-would-...in-eu-11610536

K Addict

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...ef=uk-homepage

Finally!

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Lisnaholic

^ Just noticed that you are from Wales, K Addict! Perhaps you recognise the Cardiff Bay building I just posted in the Architecture thread.

Well, that's you, me and Fluff all pretty keen to see a second referendum. Maybe it will become a reality, and before voting people will reflect on what the last two years of negotiating have shown us.

American journalist Fareed Zakaria has some interesting points to make:-

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K Addict

I do recognise the building and agree it's a win for the old.

Re a 2nd Ref I find it hard to see any other viable way out the Brexit mess.

The impasse was bound to happen when Mayhem set her red lines on stopping freedom of movement to satisfy the Brexit Ultras. These red lines then collided with the Good Friday Agreement (no harder border/invisible border between NI and ROI).

Diolch yn fawr

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Cuthbert

Cymru am byth! 🐲🏉🎶