The IDIOTIC new North Carolina Gender law
 

My first reaction, other than "OMFG are they SERIOUS??!?" is; precisely how are they planning to enforce this? I mean think about that.

Lets say you're a Trans-Male.

http://img.ifcdn.com/images/73d64eb9...875d4776_1.jpg


Are you making things more comfortable for ANYBODY by sending this person to a ladies room?

Discuss

Let's not forget about the idiotic Mississippi law as well.

^ I haven't, I just see the so-called Bathroom Bill as being particularly...problematic.

What the hell.. it's like that south park episode is happening in real life.

im gonna take the conservative side on this one, it makes sense to me that if you're biologically born a man you should use the men's bathroom even if you identify as a woman. I don't get why this is an issue, i don't get why using the bathroom has to be a statement on your sexual identity or preference. for practical purposes, it's best we stick with the biological requirement rule.

I'm not gonna take the conservative side at all.

Put yourself in the position of a trans person. No I am not trans, nor do I have any trans acquaintances as far as I know, but I do see and hear a lot of quotes from these people, and what I get from them is that the person may have been born as a particular gender, but they feel like the opposite gender, they prefer to dress and act like the opposite gender, and generally make a lot of effort to look like the opposite gender. This is not like some hobby thing, like "I think I'll dye my hair orange this month"; it's even misleading to call it a lifestyle choice, because in many cases those people have spent years trying to deny this is how they feel. Some go so far as to undergo "gender reassignment surgery" - what used to be called "sex change" but that term is now disparaged because it's a somewhat narrow view of what sex is. It's not a trivial operation, and it can be a costly one, so it's not something people do on a whim.

OK. Now the question is, which toilet to use. In an ideal world there would always be unisex toilets available; we live in a non-ideal world, but nevertheless nearly all toilets have private cubicles. I'd be willing to bet that someone who, say, looks and dresses like a man but doesn't have a dick would in most cases opt to go to the men's toilet and then head for a cubicle. No problem there (as long as enough cubicles are available).

That person in the pic posted by Paul_Smeenus is a perfect example. I'd feel far less uncomfortable, as a man, having that person walk into the men's toilets than I would, as a woman, seeing them in the ladies'. I'd like to know: who is actually being served by this proposed law? I would say no one, except possibly bigots who believe nothing except "normal" male and female roles and identities should be allowed on the planet.

Excactly. And how would the "toilet law" even be enforced? Toilet guards asking people entering about the shape of their genitals? That's bordering on sexual harrassment.

Goddamn it.
I should have known that genital inspector was fake.

On a less serious note: what an amazing occupation to be able to put on your tax return or your census form.

"GENITAL INSPECTOR".

politicians in bathrooms are more dangerous than trans people
 

Dennis Hastert might be better off banned from public bathrooms than any trans person.

:rofl:

Society has made it a statement on sexual identity by segregating restrooms in the first place. There's nothing practical about it, it's just an arbitrary social construct.

ftfy


So, if this person enters when you're taking a whiz


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LDW0uIMnxkI/hqdefault.jpg


...You're not seeing the hella-awkward position that puts her in? Well maybe *you* don't because you're clearly not thinking this through but I assure you that the vast majority of the western world does.


*pacepalm*...ok, let's try this again...

Imagine your sister or mom or whatever was in the ladies room, when this person comes in

http://www.outsmartmagazine.com/wp-c...04/Aydian2.jpg


What would be her (your sister/mom/whatev) reaction? She'd probably either ask him to gtfo of the ladies room, run out of the room screaming, or (high probability) hit on him. NONE of those are an acceptable result, even the 3rd scenario is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE RESULT from what this lunkheaded law is attemping to achieve.

And you never did address the issue of enforcement. Are you going to post sentries at every facility to check their birth certificate and/or their junk? Before you answer that, keep in mind that *you* would have to carry a birth certificate and present it everytime you needed to pee.

Even the dunderheads that wrote this bill don't have an answer for this question. smh

Right now all I have to add is "listen to Paul"

Thanks, Isbjørn

Fucking Republicans looking for an answer to a problem no right-thinking person has <_<

There's no need to use this shame tactics on me Paul just cause i don't see things like you do.

It just seems to me that's easier to comprehend using the biological method that applies to both genders of the population than to apply a method that depends solely on how an individual identifies his sexuality.

No, that would be silly. it's difficult for me to express my views on this subject cause on one hand i don't want to deprive transgenders the right to use whtvr bathroom they want and on the other idk if the system should adjust to their sensitivity.

Though im torn about this, ultimately i would side with the transgenders because despite my preferences i don't want to impede progress.

Also cause this article helped me put things in perspective

Here's what it'll look like if trans people aren't allowed to use the right bathroom.

I don't understand the whole "violation of privacy". It's a bathroom with a stall to do your business, you're not whipping your privates out for everyone to see. I have no problem with unisex bathrooms, in my mind strangers are strangers, so having a man or a woman on the other side of the stall would be equally discomforting if I were inclined to feel such a way. I'm sure I'm the minority here, but I think biological sex based segregation is a larger issue than this trans-gender bathroom law nonsense. The way this country treats the naked body and sexuality is the root of many of the issues we have.

This is probably true. But you must admit, for transgender people themselves this is not a trivial issue, it affects the way they live their lives.

No argument here, that's why I called it nonsense.

You're not the only one. I mentioned this earlier in the thread as well.

This should be something that society can easily work out with a little common sense and compassion but the Christian Right always has to go to war with anything that's a little different than what they're used to. But the good news is they're losing. Most Americans just want to live and let live and it's sending the bigots in this country into conniptions.

:clap:

The solution is to have three bathrooms. Mens/Gentleman's/Bloke's bathroom/restroom/WC, Women/Ladies'/Sheila's bathroom/restroom/WC and the French restroom/salle de repos. See because men and women share bathrooms in France. So you really don't have to get involved in specifying who is using the bathroom, or who it belongs to. It could be a co-ed bathroom or uni-sex bathroom, whatever have you, but it would be called a "French" bathroom. The name "French bathroom" will be a hit. Just from the name alone it is sure to take off like other things that have "French" in the name like French Fries, French Toast, French roast coffee and French poodles.

Say if you are a woman and you feel comfortable sharing a bathroom with a bloke and the lines are too long for the Ladies' Room and you're thinking to yourself what the heck are they doing in there I gotta go :rolleyes: You could just hop into the "French" bathroom and do whatever you have to do there. In and out, enuff said. It's win/win. :)

P.S. Extreme Christians can suck my dick.

I'm absolutely against this due to the many layers of grey when it comes to transgendered people. The only blurred line is when people who have not physically transitioned to their gender yet, and don't look like their identified gender. It could cause real issues for people, since sex separation in toilets has been so ingrained in our society.

I feel as though people realise this automatically and to put laws in place which are likely to cause extra complications and unease is completely ridiculous.

Surprise, surprise.

Addressing: "since sex separation in toilets has been so ingrained in our society." - rightfully so. What mother wants her young daughter to share a restroom with Merv the Perv. I don't get it where people say it is a social construct. It's common sense is what it is.

I think the best compromise is a Gentlemen's room for those who feel comfortable going in men only area, Ladies' room for who feel comfortable in an women only area, and the French restroom for those who feel comfortable either way.

Cause lesbian pedophiles don't exist.

Is the problem that you don't know what the term "social construct" means?

That's the sexism of high expectations on show from Neo.

I really don't know. I'm not going there. I just think that if you respect everyone's pov, the man only crowd, women only crowd, and those who will use French restroom then everyone has their feelings respected and everyone is happy.

What does that mean?

I meant to say "high", so I've edited both posts. #ModPower

Boy, you are really pushing that french bathroom idea. :p:

It's actually not a bad idea, it could be a solution but it can also be viewed as another layer of segregation and it feels like part of the point of transgenders asking for this right is that they want to be accepted among the gender they identify with.

I think the best idea ive heard so far is making the bathrooms unisex cause the problem is neither side wants to compromise their comfort level to the other side but by making them unisex both sides would have to compromise in order to co exist.

That sounds reasonable to me but idk how they would feel about it.

Maybe you should write Trump and ask him to broker a deal where France will pay for all these "French" restrooms.

:laughing:

I can tell you how they would feel about it. Almost every transgender advocacy article I have read wants unisex toilets, either alongside conventional ones, or just exclusively unisex.

Incidentally, what are you people referring to when you say "French bathroom"? (I assume "bathroom" is supposed to mean toilet).

Well the whole idea of having three restrooms is not pushing anything on anyone. The French restroom is so that if you don't mind sharing a restroom you can share a restroom. But for people who feel comfortable going in anonymity of a Gentlemen's room or a Ladies' room you can have that too. That's the true compromise. No one has to give up any comfort level. And you increase business for construction workers, plumbers in the construction part of making them, and provide more work hours for in-house janitors in maintaining them. And in night clubs you can have a third person that can provide perfume, cologne and breathe mints and rip paper towels for you in the French restroom. You are actually increasing job growth with an additional French restroom and eliminating jobs with only having one restroom. So hainvg a three restroom system is also a plus for the economy.

In Sweden there are many unisex bathrooms that are divided into cubicles so that there isn't an issue with gender dividing and saves on space. This is reflected in many places around the country. It's no big deal. When you make something a big deal, it often becomes more overblown and idiotic and people forget the original point.

So you're saying the owner of every building with two restrooms should be forced to add on a (I can't believe I'm using this term) French restroom?