Lilja

If you are addressing me, I think just put in cubicles and make them gender neutral. When you got to go, you got to go. If you don't want to go there, go somewhere else or adapt.

OccultHawk

I was addressing Nea. Even in America the men's rooms typically have private stalls for those who need to sit down and pinch one off. I'm not as sensitive as a used to be but even today I often find urinals kind of gross and uncomfortable. It's not like the end of the world but two guys standing next to each other pissing isn't my favorite part of a night out.

Nameless

You show that patriarchy.

The Batlord

#bringbackthetrough

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Chula Vista

Ya'll need to visit the more rural parts of China.

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The Batlord

Nah, I can see plenty rice around here.

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bob_32_116

There was a time when when public baby nappy changing facilities were only provided in women's toilets, because back in the 1950's or so it was almost unheard of for a man to be out in public with a baby, without the presence of the mother. Single fathers, or fathers whose female partner was not there for any reason, such as being at work, had a problem, as they were not allowed to go into the ladies' toilets to change the baby. By and by it dawned on city councils that it might be a good idea to provide changing tables etc in the men's dunnies as well. Today that's considered normal - or at least it is here.

Facilities for the disabled (which usually means wheelchair-bound) are another example. those people used to have to take their chances that if they needed to use a railway station or a bank or a public toilet or go to the theatre that there would be some kind of access that did not involve stairs, or just hope that someone would be there to assist them. these days in most civilised countries it's more or less expected, sometimes mandatory, that there will be ramp access. And yes, there have been cases where a building owner was required to undertake a modification in order to conform with society's new expectations.

I see unisex toilets as a similar evolution. We live with certain social conventions for decades, or centuries, and find it hard to imagine society could be organised any other way. Every so often, though, we discover little ways in which things could be improved, and ideas get taken up. Not everywhere at once - one city council tries it on, it succeeds, and a few other councils or governments say "Hmmm, this seems to work over there, maybe we should do that here." It will happen, and I don't think it will be too far in the future.

OccultHawk

You make some good points, bob.

Paul Smeenus

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Chula Vista

Bout 15 years ago I was at an airport in China. Not an international one but one of the smaller ones. Had to go like crazy. Walked into a bathroom just like that. I held it for a couple more hours and went on the plane instead. Notice that there's no TP in sight?

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”