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Yes, but only if the spirit is not able to rest for any reason. 2 11.11%
Yes, but the spirit always goes to heaven or hell. 2 11.11%
I've seen some compelling evidence, but not enough to form a strong opinion. 5 27.78%
Absolutely not; we're either buried or cremated, and that's the end. 10 55.56%
I have lived in a house that's been haunted. 4 22.22%
I've been on a paranormal investigation. 3 16.67%
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Old 08-15-2015, 11:08 PM   #151 (permalink)
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i know you didn't. i mentioned him because years ago he led the charge, calling for a new militant atheism. but by 'militant' he basically means relentlessly opinionated and argumentative.

yet, when we refer to say 'militant islam,' we're not just referring to hard headed muslims. we refer to actual militants, willing to take up arms for their religion. the same goes for militant christians, buddhists, or any other religion or ideology for that matter. anyone who's most extreme tactics in their arsenal of weapons that they will use in pursuit of their ideological goal still falls short of actual coercion is to me, not really a militant. but that's just my opinion.
that just makes him opinionated, to me... and perhaps impolite. not militant.

putin's russia is not communist. it's closer to fascist. so that is easily explained.

actually, at this point, it's fair to say that china is hardly even really communist anymore. they honestly seem to be veering more towards a fascist state than anything else, from what i understand.


and communism need not technically be totalitarian. but historically... that has been the case.

but even if it weren't totalitarian... marx himself wrote about religion in negative terms, as something that had the potential to prevent the workers from recognizing their dilemma and free themselves from wage slavery, being instead placated and distracted by supernatural promises
I think I understand where you are coming from, you believe that there is a strong association between atheism and communism from a philosophical standpoint.

I thought you might also be a Christian, and therefore prescribe to the "dark forces" theory that pedagogical Conservatives like Peter Hitchens & Pat Buchanan believe in.

Basically, they believe that the lights of liberty will eventually go out as Christianity fades in the western world, and that militant atheism & paganism, unleashes a darker more sinister power that its naive followers are unaware of. (Ie the rise of Nazism/Soviet Union/PR of China)

As a fence sitting agnostic it's not something I believe in, but as an ex student of history, bad $hit does seem to go down when pagan nature worship takes over, from the French Revolution to Nazism, interesting enough it was also the main driving force behind the culture war of the hippies as well, I'm sure its all co-incidental, but nevertheless, kind of eerie to.
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Old 08-16-2015, 08:29 PM   #152 (permalink)
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nah... i'm an atheist.

but honestly... saying that "bad **** tends to go down when pagan nature worship takes over" is a peculiar statement to me... i am curious about your french revolution reference... where's the pagan connection? i dunno much about the french revolution tbh


but either way i'd say things have turned just as dark under the banner of religious rule.
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:21 AM   #153 (permalink)
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nah... i'm an atheist.

but honestly... saying that "bad **** tends to go down when pagan nature worship takes over" is a peculiar statement to me... i am curious about your french revolution reference... where's the pagan connection? i dunno much about the french revolution tbh


but either way i'd say things have turned just as dark under the banner of religious rule.
Well as a former student of history there are certain repeating trends one often encounters, but I may have made an error to some degree in regards to the paganism.

French Revolution:

The peak of the French Revolution was led by Maximilien de Robespierre, a Jacobian, who is believed to have laid down the totalitarian blueprint for the twentieth century, via many historic scholars.

The Jacobians were a hard left political sect that would seize power during the French Revolution, and end up instituting the reign of terror through mass purges that resulted in tens of thousands meeting their death via the guillotine.

Many of its followers were secularists or deists, who like the Bolsheviks, believed that man could create a secular paradise on earth. As a result, they tried to de Christianize France by stripping the Catholic church of its power and replacing it with a state religion known as "the cult of the supreme being"

Where I am in error, was in my recollection of believing that the Cult of the Supreme Being was religion steeped primarily in nature worship when in fact it was primarily deist. That being said, there were pagan elements to it, including a festival of the supreme being, designed to worship the goddess of reason, which had many of the elements of nature worship to it.

Christian interpretation of dark forces in the French Revolution:

For many Christian scholars, The French Revolution is seen as the initial warning of the demonic forces that are unleashed when humanity attempts to turn away from god, by attempting to become a gods themselves, by setting up their own utopia. (Ie; French Revolution, Soviet Union, Nazism ect)

Maximilien de Robespierre, though well intentioned, was unaware of the demonic forces he was unleashing when he went on a campaign to expunge Christianity from France in order to create his secular republic.

As consequence, the French Revolution spun out of his control, as paranoia ran wild with mass purges and executions that consumed the lives of the innocents. (Much like the Soviet Union to follow)

Ironically, Maximilien de Robespierre's height of power was when he arranged the paganistic festival of Supreme Being, whereby he was arrested shortly thereafter and sent to the guillotine himself.

Thus one could theorize he had served Satan's purpose of providing the opening for the dark forces that would lead to the horrors of the twentieth century, with the rise of the militant atheism & paganism that would seek to dispose of Christianity in Europe.

Conservative England on the other hand, was sparred these horrors because it was a society that was still steeped in Christiandom, hence the evolution of it's liberty & future democracy under the growing British Empire.

My Beliefs on the French Revolution

I of course don't believe in the "dark forces" theory because it's a philosophical theory that is lacking in scientific evidence to back it up.

Still, I do find the theory fascinating and it sometimes does make me pause to think about it and go hmmmmm.

Apologies for the long read, I just love this stuff and read everything from the far left to right and in between. My favorite scholar of all time was actually a militant atheist, cheers.
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Still, I do find the theory fascinating and it sometimes does make me pause to think about it and go hmmmmm.
Hmmmmmm ..

That is some solid BS indeed. I'm not sure if it's worth arguing why because you say you don't believe in it, but let's just say that for real life historical relevance, it's about as believable to me as the Twilight movies.

People manage just fine to be mean to eachother, whether that involves beheading aristocrats in a guillotine, torturing innocent women for doing witchcraft or gassing people for being the wrong kind of human. No gods or devils are required.
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Well nothing really, I suppose people of religious a religious faith would have their own interpretations as would atheists.

As for me, because the voice was asking me a direct question, and I saw the apparition, I interpret it as a supernatural experience.

Despite Richard Dawkins popularity there are a lot of scientists out there who believe in quantum mechanics and the possibility of an afterlife...so keeping my fingers cross.
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Well as a former student of history there are certain repeating trends one often encounters, but I may have made an error to some degree in regards to the paganism.

French Revolution:

The peak of the French Revolution was led by Maximilien de Robespierre, a Jacobian, who is believed to have laid down the totalitarian blueprint for the twentieth century, via many historic scholars.

The Jacobians were a hard left political sect that would seize power during the French Revolution, and end up instituting the reign of terror through mass purges that resulted in tens of thousands meeting their death via the guillotine.

Many of its followers were secularists or deists, who like the Bolsheviks, believed that man could create a secular paradise on earth. As a result, they tried to de Christianize France by stripping the Catholic church of its power and replacing it with a state religion known as "the cult of the supreme being"

Where I am in error, was in my recollection of believing that the Cult of the Supreme Being was religion steeped primarily in nature worship when in fact it was primarily deist. That being said, there were pagan elements to it, including a festival of the supreme being, designed to worship the goddess of reason, which had many of the elements of nature worship to it.

Christian interpretation of dark forces in the French Revolution:

For many Christian scholars, The French Revolution is seen as the initial warning of the demonic forces that are unleashed when humanity attempts to turn away from god, by attempting to become a gods themselves, by setting up their own utopia. (Ie; French Revolution, Soviet Union, Nazism ect)

Maximilien de Robespierre, though well intentioned, was unaware of the demonic forces he was unleashing when he went on a campaign to expunge Christianity from France in order to create his secular republic.

As consequence, the French Revolution spun out of his control, as paranoia ran wild with mass purges and executions that consumed the lives of the innocents. (Much like the Soviet Union to follow)

Ironically, Maximilien de Robespierre's height of power was when he arranged the paganistic festival of Supreme Being, whereby he was arrested shortly thereafter and sent to the guillotine himself.

Thus one could theorize he had served Satan's purpose of providing the opening for the dark forces that would lead to the horrors of the twentieth century, with the rise of the militant atheism & paganism that would seek to dispose of Christianity in Europe.

Conservative England on the other hand, was sparred these horrors because it was a society that was still steeped in Christiandom, hence the evolution of it's liberty & future democracy under the growing British Empire.

My Beliefs on the French Revolution

I of course don't believe in the "dark forces" theory because it's a philosophical theory that is lacking in scientific evidence to back it up.

Still, I do find the theory fascinating and it sometimes does make me pause to think about it and go hmmmmm.

Apologies for the long read, I just love this stuff and read everything from the far left to right and in between. My favorite scholar of all time was actually a militant atheist, cheers.
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It's a post about the supernatural in regards to world politics. I think that's relatively on topic. Quit being a thread Nazi. You haven't been worshiping collective consciousness-style Jungian archetypes represented by pagan gods, have you?
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[B]Piss off (unt! [/B] It's a prominent philosophical theory amongst certain Christian scholars. I was merely explaining the angle to JWB.

I am not religious and I do not believe it!!!

I also stated that my favorite scholar is an atheist.
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It's a prominent philosophical theory amongst certain Christian scholars. I was merely explaining the angle to JWB.

I am not religious and I do not believe it!!!

I also stated that my favorite scholar is an atheist.
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