The Democratic Primaries

Xurtio · 03-09-2016, 10:30 AM

I think the take away from Michigan is that if we participate and get people to vote and join the movement and be active in it, Bernie can win the states.

There are super delegates turning, too, some of them looking to the people for their opinions, so it wouldn't hurt to contact super delegates in your area.

Paul Smeenus · 03-09-2016, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Xurtio

There are super delegates turning, too, some of them looking to the people for their opinions, so it wouldn't hurt to contact super delegates in your area.

Do you have any numbers or examples? I want to agree with you but I need to see some facts, solid measurable stats that bear this out.

I see the superdelegate system like a microcosm of the entire political system, rigged and corrupt. Even if Bernie gets through it there's a hideous tangled web of supreme fuckery that's gonna be monumental to clean up.

Xurtio · 03-09-2016, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

Do you have any numbers or examples? I want to agree with you but I need to see some facts, solid measurable stats that bear this out.

I see the superdelegate system like a microcosm of the entire political system, rigged and corrupt. Even if Bernie gets through it there's a hideous tangled web of supreme fuckery that's gonna be monumental to clean up.

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Alan Grayson:

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Perhaps inspired by the Bernie Sanders message of “Not me. Us.”, for the past several days, I have appealed to Democrats across the nation to tell me for whom I should vote, as a Super-delegate at the Democratic National Convention," he wrote in a post.

"The response has been absolutely overwhelming. Almost 400,000 Democrats voted at GraysonPrimary.com."

The results showed Sanders with 86 percent and rival Hillary Clinton with just 14 percent.

Rep. Alan Grayson endorses Sanders | TheHill

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Three in Vermont, based on public opinion:

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"The people of Vermont have spoken," said Condos, who earned his superdelegate status as the vice chairman of the Democratic Association of Secretaries of State.

3 VT superdelegates pledge for Bernie Sanders

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also, note that Clinton had 3x the superdelegates Obama had in January, too. By March, she had like 1.5x or something, but supedelegates DO change their vote to reflect the public's opinion:

Superdelegates Might Not Save Hillary Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

http://www.gazettenet.com/News/Local...-district.aspx

The exception to this, of course, is that Bernie is an outsider. So that presents a confounding factor, I will concede. But the point is that the supedelegates do not make the Sanders campaign dead in the water and if Sanders is something you want, you CAN still help.

OccultHawk · 03-09-2016, 01:12 PM

For the record, I deeply respect what you're saying, Xurtio, and I appreciate the links, sources, and lack of cynicism.

Good work!

Paul Smeenus · 03-09-2016, 01:20 PM

Thank you, this is a step in the right direction, although IMO getting rid of the superdelegate system altogether would be my personal objective here. BTW, I'm hesitant to seem to be nitpicking a well-constructed post here, but by way of clarification...

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By Mach

was that meant to be "March"?

Xurtio · 03-09-2016, 01:23 PM

@OccultHawk noted, and thank you!

@Paul, indeed, yes. Forgive my penmanship.

Paul Smeenus · 03-09-2016, 01:40 PM

I recognize that some will criticize me as a Cenk Uygur shill, so be it. I feel this discussion hits the heart of the superdelegate issue

Paul Smeenus · 03-09-2016, 01:49 PM

Here's another one, from the LAST person an MSNBC with their liberal integrity intact

OccultHawk · 03-09-2016, 02:55 PM

I like what Xurtio is saying as I mentioned above. However, as it appears to me, if this were a marathon, Hillary would only have to run 19 miles before Sanders ran 26, to win. But at the start of the thing, it wasn't only like that, but she also got to wear roller skates. Now, at least, they're both wearing sneakers.

William_the_Bloody · 03-13-2016, 01:28 AM

Tuesday Prediction time! They should have bookies for this stuff.

Hillary seems to have a lockdown on the southern states that views Sanders as too socialist, and both Florida and North Carolina have large black populations that have been heavily favoring Hillary so...

Florida: Hillary takes it easily
North Carolina: Hillary takes it easily

Illinois: Hillary takes it (She is leading in the polls, and I think the somewhat unfair association between Bernie and the supporters invading the Trump rally will hurt him among moderates, who are looking for a stable establishment candidate)

Ohio: Sanders takes it

(I think there is a strong chance that Sanders can pull off another Michigan here, as the two states are somewhat similar economically. If Sanders can't capture Ohio, or at least one of the big states on Tuesday, than things start to look grim, and I can only imagine the protests at the Trump rallies getting worse once the hard left starts to feel disenfranchised.

Missouri: is a weird state in that it seems half North and half South, theoretically it was considered below the Mason Dixon line, and was a slave state that fought for the union. No wonder there so is so much bad $hit going down in St. Louis. I think the states liberals will lean conservative so..

Hillary takes it.

I believe the key for Sanders is to play a war of attrition, stick it out and get bloodied long enough in the hopes that the FBI investigation against Hillary starts to get serious. If that happens, the momentum will shift.

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Xurtio Brain Licker Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 1,083	I think the take away from Michigan is that if we participate and get people to vote and join the movement and be active in it, Bernie can win the states. There are super delegates turning, too, some of them looking to the people for their opinions, so it wouldn't hurt to contact super delegates in your area. __________________ H̓̇̅̉yͤ͏mͬ͂ͧn͑̽̽̌ͪ̑͐͟o̴͊̈́͑̇m͛͌̓ͦ̑aͫ̽ͤ̇n̅̎͐̒ͫ͐c̆ͯͫ̋ ̔̃́eͯ͒rͬͬ̄҉

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Xurtio Brain Licker Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 1,083	@OccultHawk noted, and thank you! @Paul, indeed, yes. Forgive my penmanship. __________________ H̓̇̅̉yͤ͏mͬ͂ͧn͑̽̽̌ͪ̑͐͟o̴͊̈́͑̇m͛͌̓ͦ̑aͫ̽ͤ̇n̅̎͐̒ͫ͐c̆ͯͫ̋ ̔̃́eͯ͒rͬͬ̄҉

03-09-2016, 01:12 PM	#154 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	For the record, I deeply respect what you're saying, Xurtio, and I appreciate the links, sources, and lack of cynicism. Good work!

03-09-2016, 02:55 PM	#159 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	I like what Xurtio is saying as I mentioned above. However, as it appears to me, if this were a marathon, Hillary would only have to run 19 miles before Sanders ran 26, to win. But at the start of the thing, it wasn't only like that, but she also got to wear roller skates. Now, at least, they're both wearing sneakers.

03-13-2016, 01:28 AM	#160 (permalink)
William_the_Bloody Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sunnydale Cemetary Posts: 2,093	Tuesday Prediction time! They should have bookies for this stuff. Hillary seems to have a lockdown on the southern states that views Sanders as too socialist, and both Florida and North Carolina have large black populations that have been heavily favoring Hillary so... Florida: Hillary takes it easily North Carolina: Hillary takes it easily Illinois: Hillary takes it (She is leading in the polls, and I think the somewhat unfair association between Bernie and the supporters invading the Trump rally will hurt him among moderates, who are looking for a stable establishment candidate) Ohio: Sanders takes it (I think there is a strong chance that Sanders can pull off another Michigan here, as the two states are somewhat similar economically. If Sanders can't capture Ohio, or at least one of the big states on Tuesday, than things start to look grim, and I can only imagine the protests at the Trump rallies getting worse once the hard left starts to feel disenfranchised. Missouri: is a weird state in that it seems half North and half South, theoretically it was considered below the Mason Dixon line, and was a slave state that fought for the union. No wonder there so is so much bad $hit going down in St. Louis. I think the states liberals will lean conservative so.. Hillary takes it. I believe the key for Sanders is to play a war of attrition, stick it out and get bloodied long enough in the hopes that the FBI investigation against Hillary starts to get serious. If that happens, the momentum will shift.