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View Poll Results: Are aliens a thing?
Without a doubt. 6 31.58%
I don't know. 5 26.32%
Nope. 2 10.53%
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Old 07-27-2015, 05:09 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Jesus is dead. Where as I saw a living newt today.
Evidently the lizard king.
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Old 07-27-2015, 05:16 PM   #62 (permalink)
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So we agree newts are better than dead prophets. Good.
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Old 07-27-2015, 05:18 PM   #63 (permalink)
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So we agree newts are better than dead prophets. Good.
And lame Doors references as well.
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Old 07-27-2015, 05:21 PM   #64 (permalink)
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It's a ROC curve - and a ROC curve that favors false positives since there's no danger in false negatives. If your planet is made entirely of only five or six elements, or has no key elements like oxygen or carbon, the chances of life having formed there are approaching 0.

Edit: also your point that it doesn't tell you if life is there is a good one too. Even if carbon and oxygen are there, there's no guarantee that life is there. Of course, this is all in the drake equation.
I guess I consider myself pragmatic in that I believe life elsewhere would be similar to life on earth, but some are a little more creative. Stephen Hawking for example has suggested life elsewhere could be so alien to us, we'd never know what to look for. His example was the possibility of life forms living within stars.

That seems very far fetched to me, but who knows?

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Regarding abductees, I heard a radio program some years ago in which some professor was talking about mental illnesses and delusions through the ages. Very roughly speaking, he made a point and convincing argument that back in the real good days, delusions used to be religious with people seeing angels or demons and the like until some time after the age of enlightenment where some would think they were abducted and experimented on by scientsts, much like some people believe they've been abducted by UFO's today. The general idea was that these people are just a little nuts and their delusions basically reflect the times.
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Old 07-27-2015, 05:27 PM   #65 (permalink)
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It's not far fetched if you think about it. Life wasn't put on Earth, it didn't come into this world, it came out of this world. We're suited to our environment because we were created from the environment. Who's to say lifeforms from and in different environments can't exist without water, oxygen, and other things we deem necessary? Man is not the measure of all things. Man is the measure of man.
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Old 07-27-2015, 05:35 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Jim Morrison is a newt?
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Old 07-27-2015, 05:37 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Like Jesus, Jim's dead.
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Old 07-27-2015, 05:45 PM   #68 (permalink)
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It's not far fetched if you think about it. Life wasn't put on Earth, it didn't come into this world, it came out of this world. We're suited to our environment because we were created from the environment. Who's to say lifeforms from and in different environments can't exist without water, oxygen, and other things we deem necessary? Man is not the measure of all things. Man is the measure of man.
While I agree that the first life forms here came about as a cause of organic chemistry, there have been meteorites that have had bacteria on them. It's still a possibility that the earliest life forms could have come from space, making us the alien visitors. Also, we ready have a lot of anaerobic organisms who don't need water here on earth too so that's definitely possible too.

As far as tore's point about us not being able to recognize alien life, I'm kind of with Hawking on this one. There's no real way to validate either side, but I think the adaptability of life on earth suggests that life forms could adapt to be something like what he describes. Really hard to know for sure, but some of the life on earth is kind of far fetched sounding too.
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What's the difference between Jesus and Jim Morrison?

Nothing, really. I'd probably just nail one and fuck the other.
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Jim Morrisson doesn't exist? News to me.
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