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RoxyRollah · 06-09-2016, 11:21 AM

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Its quite obvious none of us know what we are talking about. Ha! We all just act like we do, and humrph for whichever one of us is the biggest blow hard. I say we get out pitchforks out now just in case. Cause lm pretty positive we've been had our entire lives...Smee is the only member old enough to remember Eisenhower and that guys missing his lobes.[/QUOTE

I disagree, i'm certain everything i've written is fact.

So is EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS THREAD. Why are you so special Mike?

RoxyRollah · 06-09-2016, 11:22 AM

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Changing times =\= apocalypse, Grandma.

Shut yo mouth youngin fo I put dis can to yo cranium.

Chula Vista · 06-09-2016, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

But history doesn't change the fact that it was Eisenhowers plan of action and he who alloted the money to put the Bay Of Pigs into place. Nice try.

Fred, that's not how history works.

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Though many of his military advisors indicated that an amphibious assault on Cuba by a group of lightly armed exiles had little chance for success, Kennedy gave the go-ahead for the attack. On April 17, 1961, around 1,200 exiles, armed with American weapons and using American landing craft, waded ashore at the Bay of Pigs in Cuba. The hope was that the exile force would serve as a rallying point for the Cuban citizenry, who would rise up and overthrow Castro’s government. The plan immediately fell apart–the landing force met with unexpectedly rapid counterattacks from Castro’s military, the tiny Cuban air force sank most of the exiles’ supply ships, the United States refrained from providing necessary air support, and the expected uprising never happened. Over 100 of the attackers were killed, and more than 1,100 were captured.

The failure at the Bay of Pigs cost the United States dearly. Castro used the attack by the “Yankee imperialists” to solidify his power in Cuba and he requested additional Soviet military aid. Eventually that aid included missiles, and the construction of missile bases in Cuba sparked the Cuban Missile Crisis of October 1962, when the United States and the Soviet Union nearly came to blows over the issue. Further, throughout much of Latin America, the United States was pilloried for its use of armed force in trying to unseat Castro, a man who was considered a hero to many for his stance against U.S. interference and imperialism. Kennedy tried to redeem himself by publicly accepting blame for the attack and its subsequent failure, but the botched mission left the young president looking vulnerable and indecisive.

Yes, Kennedy inherited the foundation from Eisenhower, but he ultimately owned the operation once he took office, and is the president history holds responsible for its failure.

FRED HALE SR. · 06-09-2016, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Fred, that's not how history works.

Thats exactly how history works. Otherwise why would it be written in stone that it was Eisenhowers plan of action along with the CIA and his administrations money alloted towards the plan.

Yes, Kennedy inherited the foundation from Eisenhower, but he ultimately owned the operation once he took office, and is the president history holds responsible for its failure.

But thats not what you said in your initial post about Kennedy, so like I said, Nice Try.

RoxyRollah · 06-09-2016, 11:27 AM

Id marry you if yer old ladys says its ok.

Chula Vista · 06-09-2016, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

But thats not what you said in your initial post about Kennedy, so like I said, Nice Try.

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Kennedy OK'd the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion.

Based on what his advisers were telling him Kennedy could have decided against carrying out the operation. He was under no orders to insure that Eisenhower's plan be carried through. In the end, as the acting commander and chief, he OK'd the final version of the actual military operation. The operation that failed miserably.

FRED HALE SR. · 06-09-2016, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I said:

Kennedy OK'd the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion.

Based on what his advisers were telling him Kennedy could have decided against carrying out the operation. He was under no orders to insure that Eisenhower's plan be carried through. In the end, as the acting commander and chief, he OK'd the final version of the actual military operation. The operation that failed miserably.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...9GQbZie7E4u0pg

I think this quite clearly details my thoughts on the Bay Of Pigs. I'm by no means a Kennedy apologists. He made plenty of bad decisions in office. I blame Nixon/Eisenhower/CIA for their abuse of power when we are discussing the Bay Of Pigs however. Nixon more then anybody hashed this plan out along the CIA and sadly enough didn't pay for it with his political career.

Chula Vista · 06-09-2016, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

I blame Nixon/Eisenhower/CIA for their abuse of power when we are discussing the Bay Of Pigs however. Nixon more then anybody hashed this plan out along the CIA and sadly enough didn't pay for it with his political career.

Yup. That's how it goes with the office of president. Bush set the stage for the economic collapse but since the numbers bottomed out after he left office, Obama now owns it.

FRED HALE SR. · 06-09-2016, 12:09 PM

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Yup. That's how it goes with the office of president. Bush set the stage for the economic collapse but since the numbers bottomed out after he left office, Obama now owns it.

Actually Bush inherited Clintons bad banking practices. Allowing people to own homes that could never afford them in the first place was an absolute travesty. Thats really the only area I see eye to eye with Bernie. He would like to hold banks and Wall Street accountable for their practices and I agree wholeheartedly. My Dad lost over 55 percent of his 401 k in one day.

Two Spirit · 06-10-2016, 08:06 AM

Looks like Bernie is finally falling in line after realizing he can't defeat Clinton, a fact that was obvious two months, but hey, at least he's catching on.

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