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Old 03-26-2016, 08:02 PM   #381 (permalink)
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Wow, so people only get excited about something or someone when they're around others.
I did not know that. I assumed that people attended rallies because they were excited by the event,
but apparently all of these people went to them kinda bored and expecting to be lectured, eh?
Am I breaking/fulfilling Godwin's Law by posting this?


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Old 03-26-2016, 08:03 PM   #382 (permalink)
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Old 03-26-2016, 08:10 PM   #383 (permalink)
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There are passionate people there, definitely, but that doesn't negate the point that there are mindless Sanders fans. And I brought in the Asch experiment as a point to show that since conformity seeps into something as straightforward as the length of a line, it can find its way into someone's political opinion.
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Old 03-26-2016, 08:23 PM   #384 (permalink)
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Ja that point is most definitely true, but assuming that all Sanders supporters are there because it reflects their own opinions is as fallacious as assuming that they're all sheep. I'm just saying that there are definitely some sheep in the flock, even if I happen to agree with the guy who they like.
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Old 03-26-2016, 08:24 PM   #385 (permalink)
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How you can't understand that people are influenced by those around them, just because we're talking about someone you're a fanboy for, I'll never know.
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Old 03-26-2016, 08:31 PM   #386 (permalink)
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Wow, you are 180° from the original point
and you know that I know that it's obvious that people can be influenced by others around them,
but this wasn't your original statement that this whole thing took off from.

As for "mindless Sanders fans": there are mindless peanut butter fans,
mindless Nigerian singers, mindless lovers of bluejays, mindless lovers of acrylic desktops, ...

so? whose denying that?
My original point was that people being excited for a candidate at a rally means nothing about the quality of the candidate. I think I'm still on topic.
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Old 03-26-2016, 08:40 PM   #387 (permalink)
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ummm, maybe they're just excited about having someone
sensible running for a high office? It's possible, you know.
Sensible implies quality, right?
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Old 03-26-2016, 08:45 PM   #388 (permalink)
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Good to know. I wonder who said that it did mean something. I certainly didn't.
Then why are you arguing?
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I can't keep up with all this so very quickly I'll say: Frownie, either you missed my meaning or my gif was inadequate (they usually are), Batty, I don't really give a rubbery fuck what you think of me.
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Old 03-26-2016, 09:39 PM   #390 (permalink)
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The original comment was about "mass hysteria" at rallies.
I'm saying that looking at a group of excited people at a rally for
their preferred candidate (Trump, Cruz, Clinton, Sanders...) is not
necessarily "mass hysteria." It just might be their joy for the candidate
that they think is their sensible choice. Like I said, "it's possible, you know?"
This was followed by the even more misanthropic statement that,
well, you know, those "people are just sheep" and so that's why
they're all excited - cause, you know, [put your favorite candidate's name here]
supporters couldn't possibly get excited of their own volition. Heavens!
Calling my point misanthropic disproves nothing. I don't know what logical fallacy that is, but I'm sure it has a name. You simply can't get more than a certain number of people all in the same room and have them still be a collection of objective free-thinkers. Political rallies are nothing more than mobs with a specifically chosen ringleader.
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