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Old 10-26-2016, 09:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bull****. You're just plain wrong. Republicans want the current laws on the books enforced but don't want even a single new law because they believe in the slippery slope theory that any new laws will lead to the government taking away their guns.

And f you are talking about classical liberalism then your argument is badly out of date. The liberal movement of my lifetime are always for more gun control. Find me a source from the modern era that backs up your claim that true liberals DO NOT want gun control or stricter gun laws. I'll wait right here and be ready to toss back at you dozens of sources that back p the realities of the modern liberal.
You have a sadly over simplistic view of Republicans that is flat out untrue. Off the top of my head the stand your ground law. Another thing that my surprise you is the healthcare mandate. That idea was created by Mitt Romney and then STRONGLY supported by the Republicans until it was put into Obamacare, that's when it became unconstitutional all of a sudden.

Just because the media pushes this ill-informed definition of what a Liberal is doesn't mean that it's what a Liberal is. Really, it's just dumb ass Democrats and "progressives" calling themselves Liberal because Liberals support social justice. Oh, and it's cooler to claim you don't align with the mainstream parties even though you still vote for the mainstream candidates... You just can't call yourself liberal if you want gun control. It's contradictory to the core of Liberal/Libertarian ideals; our personal liberties.

And I refuse to accept the drastic redefinition of Liberals over our lazy ill-informed public.
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Old 10-26-2016, 10:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You have a sadly over simplistic view of Republicans that is flat out untrue.

You just can't call yourself liberal if you want gun control. It's contradictory to the core of Liberal/Libertarian ideals; our personal liberties.

And I refuse to accept the drastic redefinition of Liberals over our lazy ill-informed public.
First off we're talking about guns and gun control here. Good read here:

Civil Liberties or Gun Control? - Reason.com

Liberals have evolved when it comes to looking at civil liberties and gun control. They've decided that it's ok not to think of them as interconnected. You may not like it but that's the way it's been for decades.

As far as Republicans go all you need to do is look at what happened in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre. (20 first and second grade kids along with 6 teachers slaughtered by a mentally unstable 20 year old using an assault weapon).

An assault weapons ban was proposed in Congress a month later but was voted down. 173 out of 188 democrats voted for it. 246 out of 247 republicans voted against it. Why, because of their respective democratic and republican constituents.

Again, you may not like it but that's what America is at the moment, and again, has been for quite a while now.

Pontificate all you want but it doesn't change reality.
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