djchameleon

Well good thing you aren't an American. Why exactly does he strike less fear in you? I don't want to just automatically assume it's because you are white and xenophobic but I guess it kind of fits. Especially with you voting to leave for Brexit.

You have to be realistic and the reality of the situation is this. If more people decide that they want to stick to their principles and vote for a third party. It will end up just splitting the vote. This could be a way for Trump to win and I'm not sure why his team isn't like doing some underhanded stuff to push more third party candidates to the forefront. If people are stupid enough to vote for a third party instead of the necessary evil then it splits the votes that Hillary would get and Trump would end up winning with his little bit of votes.

Legitimate or not, in swing states where votes actually matter. A vote is a vote, so what if it's an anti-vote/lesser of two evils vote. Have you looked at the current third party candidates? Can you name them? Maybe you should do the research and look into them yourself.

Woo hooo more America bashing. So edgy and original.

Yeah, that's true you can't trust polls but even Trump himself is losing faith that he can win the election. He's relying on polls and even made a comment recently about how with him losing in two key states. He knows he has lost the election. Remember this isn't really a popular vote kind of thing. You just have to rely on the electoral college to toss in their votes for each state. So the whole thing about idiots voting blah blah blah. Doesn't even ****ing matter. He's not going to win.

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

Key

You're telling me to be realistic, but then you're telling me not to stick to my guns when it comes to conscientiously choosing who I vote for. Realistically, we're all ****ed either way, but I'm not going to bend over backwards and let it happen if I have the choice to be a part of a change. The people who are voting for one of two evils are just too lazy or ignorant to try to change the rules. This election isn't like an election that we've seen in the past where one person was the obvious choice. Both choices we have here are both terrible choices, so why not try to go for someone that is worth putting my vote for, i.e. Gary Johnson. And don't give me the "he's not part of your beliefs" bull****. I've looked into him, and I'll be damned if I don't vote on him especially with the credentials he has under his belt. Again, I stress that I'm not going to just bend over and take it in the ass by voting for Hillary or Trump, I'm at least going to try to accomplish something with my vote.

Chula Vista

Don't be so naive. How many presidential elections have you paid really close attention to to understand how third party candidates fare on election day? This is my tenth.

The only two real viable third party candidates have been Ross Perot and Ralph Nadar. In 1992 Perot actually got about 18% of the general election vote but not a single electoral vote. And Nadar pretty much gave Bush the win in 2000. Bush beat Gore by only 537 votes in Florida. Nadar got over 19,000 votes there. The vast majority of his voters said they'd have voted for Gore if Nadar hadn't run.

So ya, either throw away your vote or tilt the odds a bit more in Trumps favor.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Key

You're saying that like it wouldn't the same outcome if Hillary was in office. Again, we're ****ed either way.

Chula Vista

You keep saying that but still haven't backed it up with any substance. Clinton has tons of political experience. Trump has none. Clinton spent 4 years traveling the globe visiting foreign leaders. Trump? He owns a lot of golf courses. Clinton's had an office in the West Wing and sat in the situation room during multiple wars. Trump's bankrupted multiple businesses.

How can you look at them both as being equal?

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

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If you seriously think trump wasn't traveling the globe meeting other leaders of industry then you have no idea what you're talking about.

Key

There's been plenty said in the thread regarding Clinton's inability to be in office, so i'd be repeating what other people have said. Her past experiences don't mean anything if she's not fit to run in office. Trump is the same way, he can't run in office based on his past experiences.

Chula Vista

Another cop out Ki?

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

The Batlord

Why keep propping up a system that doesn't work? What are you gaining in the long term? You want better things for you and your kids? What about your grandkids? Or your great grandkids? Cause they're going to have to live in the declining America you're creating with your lesser of two evils.

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djchameleon

Oh okay that's good that you know about the third party candidates. I wasn't going to say anything about he's not part of your beliefs. I don't even know where you got that from. It's good that you have educated yourself on him. I was thinking about voting for Jill Stein but I heard she was an anti Vaxxer and I was like hell nope. I can't support her. I need to look into it though because there is evidence saying that she isn't an anti Vaxxer and someone took her out of context. Non of this even matters though, especially if you don't live in a swing state. Your state is already spoken for and Hillary already has it on lock but if it makes you feel better go ahead and vote for Gary.

Yeah, Trump was in the UK immediately after Brexit passed well for two reasons, he has some sort of golf course he's building there and to show support for all the xenophobes in another country.

This joke is over my head. You are going to have to explain or not. Up to you.

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.