William_the_Bloody

I got to stay away from this economic $hit it hits to close to home.

It's funny, I was simply elaborating on what RoxyR had stated, and I mentioned had I had said it, I would have been branded a xenophobic racist, and within minutes I was. Maybe it's different in geography and demographics that shapes ones opinion, but outside of seeing skinheads at punk shows when I was teenager, I've had zero encounters with far right supporters (unless you count Alex Jones fans)

I however have had a tons of encounters with the far left over the years and they really freak me out, particularly the politically correct SJW's.
For all finger pointing of intolerance, and laughing at people on the right that goes on, I have never had a bad experience debating them, they were always polite and would simply outmaneuver me on the facts in a debate.

The authoritarian left is a completely different story, it's all about smearing your opponent by calling them racists, bigoted, or sexist and the facts be damned.

I wasn't arguing immigration on cultural grounds, I could care less if I woke up tomorrow, and soccer had surplanted the nfl as the countries number 1 sport. Drop me off to live in the middle of the Bronx for 20 years and I would be happy as punch.

I wasn't even saying seal off the borders, I was simply saying we need to look at the rate of immigration and slow it down a bit because it's adversely affecting the native born working class, but nope, nope, nope that doesn't jive with my Marxist view of a borderless world, shut up you Archie Bunker racist, zip your mouth and go watch NASCAR.

That's it, the final straw!!! I know longer want to be associated with the left!!!

My left was people like the late great Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris, who is currently being smeared by politically correct social justice warriors.

I currently think the new crop of lefties like Glenn Greenwald & Reza Aslan are slime.

So that's it goodbye to the left, I no longer want to associate myself as a liberal, I'm official in political limbo. If you see me on here again it means I've crossed the floor to the right.

RoxyRollah

Welcome to the cruel world baby. I am with you I got sooo grossed out with both parties I am with you in limbo.... I am leaning more libertarian than anything else these days. But I just want to say bro you are not nuts, these things are happening they are very real, the left isn't the loving liberals we all know an were ok with not anymore, and the refusal to see their party being hijacked by wingnuts is sad. I smelled the republican bull**** coming and became disheartened with them after Romney. But I still wanted less government in my life. I learned the only way to really see what is actually happening was to get informed and the more you read the more you research they are all in the same bed 6 feet deep rolling on beds of monopoly money just like Scrooge MCDuck.
The hardest thing is once you are awake you can't go back to sleep. And sometimes I wish I could... But the world around us is so insane that when you or I point out it's insanity we are told we are crazy by the very people that run the mad house. I got your back boo boo.

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Chula Vista

You still haven't addressed my point. Which is the party that goes out of its way to support all things big business at the expense of anything else?

Come on. Don't give me the textbook response. The US military could squish out the largest civilian militia as easily as I could swat a mosquito off my arm. Gun control is as much about safety as it is regulation. Should I be able to walk into my local gun shop and buy a couple of dozen rifles and handguns and 5,000 rounds of ammo without some sort of checks and balances? Should sawed off shotguns be made legal again? How about fully automatic machine guns? Should Amazon be able to start selling bazookas?

The 2nd amendment is not black and white. The founding fathers really screwed up with their choice of syntax when they wrote it. That's why it's still being debated to this day.

This is an excellent read on the 2nd.

The Second Amendment: A Biography: Michael Waldman: 9781476747453: Amazon.com: Books

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

RoxyRollah

That's all you got outta that Don? Really bro.. I wrote a well thought out response to all you had written and thats all you got.

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Chula Vista

I read it all. We're going to have to agree to disagree on some stuff Roxy. Us being part of the older guard around here are pretty damn set in out ways.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

Can you summarize what's so special about the book for those of us who are either too lazy or disinterested to read it?

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Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.

Key

I didn't realize Roxy was in her 50's.

Chula Vista

Dude goes through the entire history of what went into the writing of 2A, how it's been interpreted from both sides in the centuries since, examines both sides of every argument in great detail both from a legal and passion standpoint, and at the end of it all, comes to no clear cut definitive decision on what 2A really means.

What people need to remember is that up until 2008 and the landmark DC vs. Heller case, 2A really had not much weight when it came to gun control.

30s is the new 50s.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

RoxyRollah

I look good tho right?

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