donald trump 4 prez

The Batlord · 03-01-2016, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rostasi

This was my reaction to this guy's rant.
Others seem to concur.

"You are really off the rails here.
What you're missing BIG time is that
John Oliver is an entertainer - a comedian.
A guy who, every time he speaks about Trump,
points out exactly what's insane about this xenophobic,
misogynist, racist asshat. But because he spends 2 minutes
of a 22 minute monologue (9%) on "Drumpf", you get your panties
all in a wad about something that is essential to a well-done comedic bit -
and he did it after an amazing 90+% crescendo. He's like the Paul Gonsalves
of comedy here with overwhelming support from those who've watched this and
you're berating him for a silly shit thing like informing thru entertainment?" Wow!

---
Now playing: The June Brides - Every Conversation

Pretty much. Obviously the Drumpf thing isn't going to sway the election, it was just the hilarious cherry on top of twenty minutes of in-depth, intelligent analysis of Trump as a man and a candidate. If you're gonna criticize Oliver, then go and fact check his claims and call him out on any potential bull****.

**Goofle** · 03-01-2016, 02:58 PM

I don't understand how Trump is considered racist. Has he ever said anything that's actually racist? I feel like I've asked this already.

And again, the criticism is that Oliver is on the side of people that want Trump to go away, and their tactics are failing miserably. Calling him a racist when he isn't only fuels the fire of his support, who are probably fed up of living in a culture that's so predominately left wing that they don't feel free to say what they want. Just like exposing him as a bit of a bull sh*t artist isn't going to sway the voters, because they like his brashness. They appreciate that he's a human.

What you need to do is treat him like any other candidate.

Also, I think people are underestimating how many liberals are going to switch sides and vote for Trump because of the state of the Democratic Party right now.

Plankton · 03-01-2016, 03:07 PM

**Frownland** · 03-01-2016, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

I don't understand how Trump is considered racist. Has he ever said anything that's actually racist? I feel like I've asked this already.

And again, the criticism is that Oliver is on the side of people that want Trump to go away, and their tactics are failing miserably. Calling him a racist when he isn't only fuels the fire of his support, who are probably fed up of living in a culture that's so predominately left wing that they don't feel free to say what they want. Just like exposing him as a bit of a bull sh*t artist isn't going to sway the voters, because they like his brashness. They appreciate that he's a human.

What you need to do is treat him like any other candidate.

Also, I think people are underestimating how many liberals are going to switch sides and vote for Trump because of the state of the Democratic Party right now.

Demonizing everyone who isn't a white Christian sounds pretty racist to me.

**Goofle** · 03-01-2016, 03:43 PM

Definitely. Trump hasn't ever done this in anything I have seen though.

**Frownland** · 03-01-2016, 03:52 PM

Why did you ask if you already knew? Calling for a ban on all Mmuslim immigration, the whole KKK thing, and painting the whole of Mexican immigrants (legal and otherwise) as rapists/murderers/etc. for some more specific examples. Using race as a fear mongering tool is quite racist, mate.

The Batlord · 03-01-2016, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

I don't understand how Trump is considered racist. Has he ever said anything that's actually racist? I feel like I've asked this already.

And again, the criticism is that Oliver is on the side of people that want Trump to go away, and their tactics are failing miserably. Calling him a racist when he isn't only fuels the fire of his support, who are probably fed up of living in a culture that's so predominately left wing that they don't feel free to say what they want. Just like exposing him as a bit of a bull sh*t artist isn't going to sway the voters, because they like his brashness. They appreciate that he's a human.

What you need to do is treat him like any other candidate.

Also, I think people are underestimating how many liberals are going to switch sides and vote for Trump because of the state of the Democratic Party right now.

Pretty sure you've asked this question before, pretty sure people have posted him talking about banning Muslims. Let's just call Muslims a race, since Trump and his constituents obviously treat them as a race...

**Goofle** · 03-01-2016, 04:45 PM

Muslims aren't a race so there's not really anything else to say about that, aside from it being completely nuts and obviously unworkable. The KKK thing was hilarious to watch. What a ridiculous state journalism is in that Trump should be called out for another man supporting him, and further bashed for not instantly disavowing the guy.

I've only heard him saying he doesn't want any illegal immigration, calling for a wall to be built and moaning about Mexicans that have come to America and caused problems. An actual outspoken racist doesn't get this much support. If he were legitimately racist against Latino's, he doesn't get a majority vote from them in the primaries (Nevada at least).

And this is what I'm saying. Calling him racist despite him clearly not being so is what adds fuel to the Trump fire. People are getting tired of this sort of thing and they want a change. Trump being the only one that seems to want to point out certain issues with certain demographics, however uncomfortable, is a breath of fresh air. It's just a shame that Donald Trump seems to be the figurehead for that, as opposed to a more reasonable and measured guy.

Edit: I've watched the interview and it only adds to my last paragraph. Trump is clearly not a man who comes at things with an extremely measured approach. Not everything he said is completely reasonable, but there are problems that need to be addressed. And I don't see anybody on the opposition highlighting these issues. And Americans, from what I can tell, are aware and they want somebody who is going to try and do something about it. And it's frankly ridiculous that Trump is the man doing it.

**Frownland** · 03-01-2016, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Muslims aren't a race so there's not really anything else to say about that

lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goofle

An actual outspoken racist doesn't get this much support.

You have far too much faith in Americans.

Also, not denouncing the KKK doesn't mean that you support them, but it doesn't mean that you disagree with them either, which is arguably just as bad. If a Muslim didn't denounce ISIS when asked to, people would be pissed off and assume they're a terrorist (I feel like I've seen this happen before).

Chula Vista · 03-01-2016, 05:00 PM

Wow, seeing a total other side of Goofle here. Not liking it. Kinda reminds me of my family back east. Denial is not just a river....

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