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Originally Posted by Ki
I agree with everything you said here. Whether people believe it or not, Trump was constantly getting people on his side with his "saying things nobody else says" demeanor, and unfortunately that worked for a large part of this country. The end result is pretty self explanatory:
Election 2016 - Live Results - President Map
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I'm glad Bernie didn't win the Primaries because if he did and then went on to win the Presidency. He still wouldn't be able to do jack ****. You know why? The congress would have still been held by the Republicans and we would have four more years of gridlock like we did with Obama and not being able to get **** passed. Now that Republicans have control of all three at least the government will be more efficient.
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Originally Posted by Ki
Trust me, I'm in no way insinuating that Clinton is anywhere near as bad as Trump, hence why I voted for her. However, you can't dispute that she ran a god awful campaign. She has a lot of great things in her political history, and she's a popular figure in politics, but for her to use that for her entire basis of a campaign was a bad move. She should have put forward ideas that she knows she could achieve instead of acting like people already knew her strengths.
Not to mention the two email scandals really hurt her campaign, which I'm of the opinion that there should have not been another investigation so close to election day. That alone effected the numbers.
But...at the same time, we can't forget the large number of people that didn't even bother voting. People are just fed up with the same old same old, and they refuse to let it happen any longer. Unfortunately, that's what caused us to be put into the situation we're in now.
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I don't think you were paying as close of attention to her campaign as you claim. She explained all of her policies in the debates and at rallies and would only take pot shots at Trump every once in awhilr. She was hustling in all the same areas that Trump was. She even enlisted Obama, Michelle and Joe Biden to speak on her behalf in states where she just physically couldn't be present unless she was a mutant that could make multiple copies of herself. There was a picture I remember seeing of Hillary's plane landing at an airport while Trump was taking off to his next destination. Her campaign was fine, she just needed to concentrate on the ravished working class in those once flourishing industrial towns.
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That's what I'm getting confused about. Are people who run businesses successfully but have no college degree still uneducated? Doesn't make sense to me.
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@Frown: Still don't understand. You can be educated without a college degree.
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So...I'm uneducated with no degree even though I've researched information to be educated in the topic?
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I'm glad you finally figured out the issue here but yes you are uneducated.
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Originally Posted by elphenor
It could be an entirely moot point Obama won back to back terms without uneducated whites, demographics favor Democrats more and more every year as the white majority shrinks
but then again maybe Obama was an extraordinary candidate in how he was able to turn out minority voters and young people the most liberal voters
We don't know **** basically, the idea that demographics are destiny obviously turned out wrong here
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That's not true that Obama won without uneducated white voters. He will the rust belt, three key states that Clinton ended up losing, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. He appealed to some of the working class and was able to get them to vote for him.
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Originally Posted by Trollheart
Just to go into this a little further (expect smutty joke from Batty) isn't it typical that the Dems heard - must have heard - on the campaign trail one clear message: we want change, and in response to that put up for election the most obvious icon of the old guard, the one who represented most what everyone said they were sick of having? Clinton's campaign slogan should really have been "Vote for business as usual." I don't get it. Bernie sounded like he would at least have had a better chance against Trump and yet they went for the ex-First Lady? And where was Billy gonna figure in all of this, did anyone wonder, had she made it to the White House??
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First things first, Clinton was pretty much promised this position from the jump. Bernie never stood a chance and for all the support Bernie had from people online those mother****ers didn't show up in the Primaries to vote. So along with not showing up to vote, Hillary had dirty politics on her side on top of that.
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