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Old 11-13-2016, 02:22 PM   #4241 (permalink)
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Redistrict? Isn't that due to the results of a census. Or is having a census every ten years a grand conspiracy to have Republicans garner more votes?
It's called Gerrymandering, an it's intentional to benefit incumbents and mostly the Republican party.


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If you want to talk about sad then how about the number of people who were susceptible to the "Arkansas Sudden Death Syndrome" that knew the Clintons - now that is really sad.
If you want to throw dirt on the Clintons why bring up conspiracy theory stuff why not talk about Haiti.

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It's called Gerrymandering, an it's intentional to benefit incumbents and mostly the Republican party.
Republicans... So Democrats don't gerrymander. That's laughable.
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Old 11-13-2016, 03:03 PM   #4243 (permalink)
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Republicans... So Democrats don't gerrymander. That's laughable.
Can you read? I said incumbents AND Republicans.

Are you denying that gerrymandering mostly benefits Republicans though? Same thing with Voter ID laws.
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Can you read? I said incumbents AND Republicans.

Are you denying that gerrymandering mostly benefits Republicans though? Same thing with Voter ID laws.
Gerrymandering benefits the party that's in power. Not one in particular. And voter ID laws will help stop voter fraud. if it helps one party and not the other, well, we know who's committing voter fraud.
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Gerrymandering benefits the party that's in power. Not one in particular. And voter ID laws will help stop voter fraud. if it helps one party and not the other, well, we know who's committing voter fraud.
Maybe you don't know what incumbent means but yes it ends up benefiting the party that's in power whether it is democrat or republican it's just that they have been holding onto the office seat for years and either run unopposed or they have so much influence that they constantly beat their opponents and use re-districting to help. It usually helps Republicans more than Democrats though. They use it as a way to win a certain area where they know that it will be mostly Republican voters.

Voter fraud is a myth. The Voter ID laws mostly hurt poor black/hispanic communities and people post up at polling places requiring IDs that are hard to come by for certain people. It has nothing to do with voter fraud.
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Redistrict? Isn't that due to the results of a census. Or is having a census every ten years a grand conspiracy to have Republicans garner more votes?
GOP gerrymandering creates uphill fight for Dems in the House | PBS NewsHour

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If you want to talk about sad then how about the number of people who were susceptible to the "Arkansas Sudden Death Syndrome" that knew the Clintons - now that is really sad.
Seriously Neo? You really going to go there?

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Since 1888 there's only been two times that the candidate that clearly won the popular vote lost the election. Gore and Clinton. Both democrats. And both elections where the GOP led congress went out of their way to redistrict states in efforts to make it easier for the Republican candidate to win over large metropolitan areas.

And lets talk about Putin's hackers and Wikileaks' constant efforts to hurt Clinton as well as the FBI inserting itself into the election with only 10 days to go.

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Not necessarily republicans, mostly whichever side owns congress.

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Dammit Frownland, my brain hurts cause of you made me re-read what he wrote. His argument was that "Gerrymandering" helps the "Republican candidate to win over large metropolitan areas." By "canidate" I guess in this instance he means the presidential candidate. I don't see his point about gerrymandering affecting a presidential election. Regardless of how the districts are drawn up within a state, during the presidential election the popular vote is drawn from the whole state, from all districts.
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Neo, stupidity doesn't look good on you.

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After President Obama swept all seven “toss-up” battleground states in the 2012 election, Republicans in Pennsylvania and Virginia, cheered on by national leaders of the party like RNC Chief Reince Priebus, have proposed bills to rig the way that electoral votes are counted in these states to favor a Republican candidate. Currently, the winner of the statewide vote takes all state electoral votes (except in Nebraska and Maine, neither of which offer a large number of electoral votes like larger battleground states). Under the system being proposed by Republicans, electoral votes would be allocated by congressional district, so that whichever presidential candidate received more votes in a given congressional district would win one electoral vote for that district. In Pennsylvania, the winner of the state popular vote would then be awarded two additional electoral votes. However, it’s even worse in Virginia, where those two extra electoral votes would be awarded to the candidates who won the most districts in total. It might sound complicated, but when you play it out, it’s clear that this is an affront to democracy.
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In 2000, Al Gore won the popular vote by at least 450,000 votes, but lost the election due to an unprecedented Supreme Court decision

The GOP is strategizing on how to ensure the election of a Republican president in 2016, even if he or she receives a minority of the popular vote - but this time through a legal legislative strategy.

First, here is the background to what legislatures in some key electoral states, such as Michigan, are considering making into law. It begins with understanding gerrymandering, the creation of congressional districts in states every 10 years. In 2010, the Republicans, with a strong boost from the Tea Party, swept many state legislatures and governorships. State legislatures, not the federal government, determine congressional districts - and it has always been a highly partisan affair.

With precision software that can slice districts up in such a way that one party can win a state vote for Congress by a wide margin, gerrymandering allows for concentrating a disproportionate vote of one party in certain districts, while creating other districts where the margin of victory by the other party is smaller, but still virtually assured.

After the 2010 election, Republican victors in many states created safe districts for Republicans while concentrating Democratic voters in a limited number of generally urban districts. By segregating many Democratic votes by design, they reduced the likelihood that Democrats could be elected in other congressional districts.

How does this work? Let's take a hypothetical Detroit Congressional District where, let's say, 76% of the vote is predicted to be Democratic. Meanwhile, a suburban congressional district is created where the projection is that it will vote, on a generic party basis, 56% Republican. Since congressional districts have equal populations, the Democratic votes in those two districts would be 20% higher than the Republican votes. When you adapt such gerrymandering to an entire state, the result can be that Democrats win the popular vote of a state, but end up with fewer congressional representatives.

For a concrete example of how this plays out, look at the results of the 2012 congressional election. That year, according to BloombergBusiness, "nationwide, Democratic House candidates combined to win about 1.4 million more votes than Republicans." The result, however: The Republicans ended up with 234 congressional seats and the Democrats with 201.
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For a brief time in the fall of 2011, Pennsylvania GOP Senate Majority Leader Dominic Pileggi unveiled a plan to deliver the bulk of his state’s electoral votes to Mitt Romney. Pileggi wanted Pennsylvania to award its electoral votes not via the winner-take-all system in place in forty-eight states but instead based on the winner of each Congressional district. Republicans, by virtue of controlling the redistricting process, held thirteen of eighteen congressional seats in Pennsylvania following the 2012 election. If Pileggi’s plan would have been in place on November 6, 2012, Romney would’ve captured thirteen of Pennsylvania’s twenty Electoral College votes, even though Obama carried the state with 52 percent of the vote.

In the wake of Romney’s defeat and the backfiring of GOP voter suppression efforts, Pileggi is resurrecting his plan (albeit in a slightly different form) and the idea of gerrymandering the Electoral College to boost the 2016 GOP presidential candidate is spreading to other GOP-controlled battleground states that Obama carried, like Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin. Thanks to big gains at the state legislative level in 2010, Republicans controlled the redistricting process in twenty states compared to seven for Democrats, drawing legislative and Congressional maps that will benefit their party for the next decade. (The Brennan Center for Justice estimates that Republicans picked up six additional House seats in 2012 due to redistricting.) Republicans now want to extend their redistricting advantage to the presidential realm.
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Neo, stupidity doesn't look good on you.
That's it when logic does not suffice to support you argument go for the ad hominem attack. bravo

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Yes but it was a proposal, but it didn't take effect and it doesn't having baring on this election. Do you understand that didn't happen and all of PA's electoral college went to one candidate, Donald Trump? All you can do is whine they thought about it.

The way the presidential election is set up is to protect the interest of the less popular states from states with large population, which are usually located in urban areas. Otherwise only cities would determine who was president going by a popular vote. Even though the system doesn't seem to always work, for instance for Republicans in 2012 election, messing with present system like splitting PA electoral college can work against the Republicans as well, especially in a close election. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. US elections are generally like a pendulum that swings right to left, left to right. I guess Republicans had to wait their turn.

This election the Rust Belt and coal areas that were hit hard voiced their opinion at the polls. You can hate small town America all you want, they got the vote out and changed the outcome of this election. They choose Trump/Pence, for better or worse.

An unbiased view who helped Trump/Pence win
  • Strong Trump supporters who voted for him.
  • Weak Trump supporters voting against Hillary.
  • Weak Hillary supporters not bothered to vote.

A liberal view of who made Hillary Clinton loose: It was basket of deplorables stealing the election by using the electoral college cause we all know Hillary won the popular vote.
  • Basket of Deplorables:
    • Racist
    • Sexist
    • Homophobic
    • Xenophobic
    • Islamaphobic
    • You name it

That's it, when logic does not suffice to support you argument go for the ad hominem attack. bravo
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And the KKK. The KKK supported Trump.

Either way, I think there is only one man who can bring this country back together.

Kanye West. 2020. He can teach us how to love again because he has his love lockdown.
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