donald trump 4 prez

Key · 09-18-2016, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Bernie's hitting the trail next week to start campaigning really hard for Clinton. He said the other night that he's going to do everything in his power to insure Trump doesn't win. He'll sway a huge swath of progressive backers.

Although most bernie supporters were nit for the endorsement, I think politically it was the smart thing for him to do. Thats my assumption anyway. I don know what repercussions his Hillary support could have on his career.

Chula Vista · 09-18-2016, 12:02 AM

Always love the candor of Paul Begala.

What Trump said:

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"Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it. I finished it. You know what I mean. President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period. Now we all want to get back to making America strong and great again. Thank you, thank you very much."

Now run through Begala's Trumpiloquence translater:

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"My fellow oppressed, aggrieved, angry white folks: I truly do love the poorly-educated. Hillary is a witch, and a weak one at that. She lost to Obama and let that Kenyan Muslim become president. I am the only one who has stood up to the Great Imposter, and I cannot wait to see him moved out of our White House. I will replace his weak-kneed whimpering with a warrior's battle cry. I have to say this crap about Obama's birth because the media wants to crucify me. But watch my eyes: they're blinking in Morse Code: K-E-N-Y-A-N. You get it. It's like a hostage tape. I need you more than ever. We must not allow the coastal elites to replace a weak Kenyan with a weak woman. Thank you, thank you very much."

William_the_Bloody · 09-18-2016, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I'd say the much bigger issue on that front is the fact that wants to cut taxes but expand the military

Don't fool yourself, Trump would be very much beholden his wealthy backers like the Mercers.

Yes this is true. The military spending would be another added expense the US cannot afford.

As for Trump and the 1%, I'm certain he will be cutting all sorts of backroom deals if he gets into office. I don't think Trump's out to help the common man soley out of his benevolence, but at the end of the day, he's relying on their votes to get in. If he doesn't cater to their whims, they'll throw him out in four years.

Chula Vista · 09-18-2016, 12:13 AM

WTB, have you checked the most recent electoral map? Even if Trump wins every toss up state he falls short of 270. He's not going have a chance to be thrown out after 4 years. Not to mention that Clinton is a master of debates and Trump has zero experience in a one on one debate. He's not going to get away with zingers against Clinton like he did during the GOP debate circus, so I see a big spike for Clinton over the next few weeks.

William_the_Bloody · 09-18-2016, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

WTB, have you checked the most recent electoral map? Even if Trump wins every toss up state he falls short of 270. He's not going have a chance to be thrown out after 4 years. Not to mention that Clinton is a master of debates and Trump has zero experience in a one on one debate. He's not going to get away with zingers against Clinton like he did during the GOP debate circus, so I see a big spike for Clinton over the next few weeks.

You must have missed the posts I did on the electoral college vote, I've stated several times Trump's chances of winning are very slim, which does however make him appealing as an underdog. All Hillary needs to do is win Virginia and it is most likely game over.

Trump has guts though, I'll give him that, he's throwing out the entire traditional red state electoral strategy to try something new...flip the blue states, and if he succeeds, then he deserves to be President, and the DNC deserves what it gets.

djchameleon · 09-18-2016, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Rightfully so? Give me a break. Talk like that just helps deepen my dislike of the Democratic party. If you want to go around alienating progressives who are potential allies, don't cry when they don't vote for your candidates.

I'm not even part of the Democrat Party believe it or not. I'm playing a little devil's advocate and just stating the way things currently are and the current attitude of the Democrat party and the DNC were especially after reading those emails. Yes, you are right though, they are alienating progressives.

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

This is the strangest election I've seen in the U.S. For the first time in my life my left wing side is cheering for the Republican, and my right wing side is cheering for the Democrat.

My rght wing side says Trump will be a disaster because he will put in massive tax cuts without cutting social security or medicaid causing the GDP to debt ratio to balloon out of control, but...

My left wing side says Trump is further to the left on Hillary on many major economic issues, and because his success soley depends on keeping his working class voters happy, he will have to cater to their will, whereas Hillary only has to cater to the will of hmmm lets see, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Merrill Lynch, Exxon, Monsanto, ect, ect.

It's like living in some weird bizzaro Superman universe, someone pinch me when the nightmare is over.

He might not cut social security or medicaid but he definitely will be cutting SNAP more because **** the poor and their grubbing food stamp having asses right?

Also he's only catering to the working class to give them lip service and have them vote for him. Bringing jobs back to America and being anti-TPP. Please, I'm sure he's sent plenty of jobs overseas because it is the cheaper option for his businesses and the TPP is pretty much finalized already. There isn't much he can do if he was in office. Also his VP candidate loves to the TPP. His VP pick is an establishment Republican. So all the of the nonsense that he says at speeches contradict how his VP feels about the issues. 91% of what he says at his rallies are false when they get fact checked so I wouldn't believe a single thing he says.

Fact Checkers Prove That 91% of the Things Donald Trump Says Are False

The article is from back in March so the percentage is most likely even higher.

William_the_Bloody · 09-18-2016, 10:31 AM

His intentions don't matter, its already been well established that Trump isn't a noble individual. What matters is that he reliant on the support of an embittered working class that have watched their wages, standard of living, and life expectancy decrease over the past few decades.

He's successfully been able to court their support, and if he doesn't cater to their whims once he's in office, then his supporters will defect, and he's out in 4.

djchameleon · 09-18-2016, 10:34 AM

Oh you forgot to mention xenophobia and taking advantage of that fear that the white working class has.

William_the_Bloody · 09-18-2016, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Oh you forgot to mention xenophobia and taking advantage of that fear that the white working class has.

Yes of course, that's a factor to. Xenophobia always arises when economic inequality increases in a country. People don't tend to worry about immigration when they're life prospects are good.

Xurtio · 09-18-2016, 11:20 AM

Immigration has clear economic consequences and feels socially unfair to people who have been paying into the system their whole lives. Its not always xenophobia.

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09-18-2016, 12:13 AM	#2714 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	WTB, have you checked the most recent electoral map? Even if Trump wins every toss up state he falls short of 270. He's not going have a chance to be thrown out after 4 years. Not to mention that Clinton is a master of debates and Trump has zero experience in a one on one debate. He's not going to get away with zingers against Clinton like he did during the GOP debate circus, so I see a big spike for Clinton over the next few weeks. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

09-18-2016, 11:20 AM	#2720 (permalink)
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09-18-2016, 10:31 AM	#2717 (permalink)
William_the_Bloody Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sunnydale Cemetary Posts: 2,093	His intentions don't matter, its already been well established that Trump isn't a noble individual. What matters is that he reliant on the support of an embittered working class that have watched their wages, standard of living, and life expectancy decrease over the past few decades. He's successfully been able to court their support, and if he doesn't cater to their whims once he's in office, then his supporters will defect, and he's out in 4.