Chula Vista

You're killing me man.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

I heard about the U.S. extending beyond the south at some point during grade school I think.

Immigration | Gallup Historical Trends

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John Wilkes Booth

lol... your stance is that outside the south, working class white and black americans don't bitch about illegal immigrants on a regular basis?

people in arizona swamped trump's rallies precisely cause immigration is a massive issue there

i learned that arizona wasn't part of the south in my mother's womb, bitch

Frownland

Oh come on you can do better than that, man. I think you need to replace the batteries on your inference meter.

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William_the_Bloody

Yes but your a minority, African Americans haven't voted for the Republicans in substantial numbers since the Eisenhower administration.

BlackDemographics.com | POLITICS

"Theoretically" I actually think that Trump's economic policies would be the best thing for working class African Americans, because he wants to bring back manufacturing jobs to the now desolate rust belt.

There also needs to be an honest debate within your country as to whether or not continued mass immigration freezes & lowers the wages of blue collar workers and hurts their quality of life, because there is a lots of evidence to suggest that it does, particularly for many African Americans.

I personally would never want to be anti immigration for cultural reasons, but the negative economic impact it may be having on the working class is worrisome for me.

John Wilkes Booth

alright... maybe you can just help me out and clarify your point instead of making me play the guessing game. cause tbh i'm hardly holding it together these days

your chart is about a vague attitude toward immigration in general, not a statement about the american public's perception of illegal immigrants so far as i can see. the situation on the border with the cartels and drug/human smuggling has got a good number of people pretty spooked from what i've heard.

edit - but i think it's fair to say things are going to shift in favor of immigrants and even a lot of current illegals, given the current trends. because many legal immigrants have illegal immigrant friend/relatives

and so as long as we keep filling certain parts of the country with these people, those stats will continue along that trajectory.

which is probably why conservatives like ann coulter or donald think now is the time for them to speak out. because if anything they have as much leverage now on that issue as they're ever going to have. if they allow the current trends to continue unchallenged then they will certainly never get their way. if they have any shot at hoping to challenge those policies... that door/window is rapidly closing. so it would actually make perfect sense to me that it's now or never for them and thus the enthusiastic campaign effort.

Chula Vista

They've been speaking out non-stop for eons. They don't need "a time".

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

'From what I've heard' was the main thing that I was referring to. That particular mindset may be popular in the south and seen in border states at varying degrees, but that hardly suggests that Trump's comments echo the thoughts of the majority of Americans. Looking at the Gallup polls, we can see that most people are on the opposite side of trump. My comment was saying look outside of your own immediate area when making statements like that. If I lived in San Francisco and said that the majority of people want to be vegan and drive electric cars, it'd be along the same lines of bad logic that you used.

That is all.

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Xurtio

Yep. Anecdotes suffer from sampling bias.

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John Wilkes Booth

fair enough, but when i said a large portion of the country.. i was referring to the backwater parts in general

e.g. upstate ny would for example be included. or the prairie states. or large portions of the midwest. i lived in south florida and the amount of racial tension down there is pretty noticeable in working class and middle class populations as well. because florida is another state with a lot of immigrants and a lot of crime and poverty that was more or less imported directly from south/central america and the carribean. most of my family are east coast people, and i've lived in the northeast as well. so while i accept that anecdotes are limited... i would say that at the very least you have to concede that my anecdotes aren't derived exclusively from the south. i have only lived in this state for a couple years.

and once again i accept your gallup poll but i think the wording of the question makes it somewhat limited in making statements about how americans feel about trump's statements as well. because from what i can tell it has nothing to do with illegal immigration, which is really the focus of trump's talking points.