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Chula Vista · 06-02-2016, 12:27 PM

You don't support Black Lives Matter who campaigns against, among other things, racial inequality in US prisons, yet you slam the Clinton's over blacks in prison?

*mind blown*

You are a paradox.

**Frownland** · 06-02-2016, 12:29 PM

Do the cognitive disco dance.

**Goofle** · 06-02-2016, 12:45 PM

All lives includes Black lives.

Chula Vista · 06-02-2016, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

All lives includes Black lives.

This:

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The slogan "Black lives matter" was initiated two years ago around the hotly debated death of Trayvon Martin in Florida. A year later, the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, led to renewed calls for politicians and others to address the issue of police brutality. But after the videos of Eric Garner, John Crawford, Tamir Rice, and Walter Scott, there is no debate any more. Just this week, there's a new video surfacing on the arrest and mysterious circumstances of the death of Sandra Bland in Texas. And the story of the fatal shooting of another black man, apparently unarmed, by a University of Cincinnati police officer.
I am sure Gov. O'Malley did not mean any harm when he said "All lives matter." In fact he apologized, saying, "I did not mean to be insensitive in any way or communicate that I did not understand the tremendous passion, commitment and feeling and depth of feeling that all of us should be attaching to this issue."
But when someone says ALL lives matter, it can sound like that person is dismissing the specific pain behind the slogan. And that is something that the young people organizing in community after community cannot easily tolerate. They have been to too many funerals. They have seen too many of these horrific videos watching their friends die right in front of their own eyes.
Of course ALL lives matter. But there is no serious question about the value of the life of a young white girl or boy. Sadly, there is a serious question -- between gang violence and this police violence -- about the value of the life of a young black girl or boy. So those who are experiencing the pain and trauma of the black experience in this country don't want their rallying cry to be watered down with a generic feel-good catchphrase.
Imagine a series of sexual assaults by men against women on a campus. Someone says, "Men on this campus need to stop raping women!" And someone responds, "Well, everyone should just stop raping everyone." You can see why some women might feel this is missing the point.

"When you have a specific pain, you want a specific slogan."

**Goofle** · 06-02-2016, 01:12 PM

My comment still stands. And that doesn't mean I disagree with people fighting for any injustice they see in regards to Black people, I simply dislike the actions of specific Black Lives Matter activists. And you can only judge a movement on the actions of it's members, regardless of how principled the foundations are.

Chula Vista · 06-02-2016, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

My comment still stands. And that doesn't mean I disagree with people fighting for any injustice they see in regards to Black people, I simply dislike the actions of specific Black Lives Matter activists. And you can only judge a movement on the actions of it's members, regardless of how principled the foundations are.

Every movement or establishment has its whackos. Unfortunately they are the only ones that are worthy of the evening news. Hence why so many on the right can easily dismiss BLM.

**Goofle** · 06-02-2016, 01:22 PM

Obviously I don't know every person who associates themselves with the movement, but I know that several leaders are intolerable people.

**Frownland** · 06-02-2016, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

My comment still stands. And that doesn't mean I disagree with people fighting for any injustice they see in regards to Black people, I simply dislike the actions of specific Black Lives Matter activists. And you can only judge a movement on the actions of it's members, regardless of how principled the foundations are.

So how can you support men's rights while it has so many supporters that are blatant mysogynists?

**Goofle** · 06-02-2016, 01:42 PM

"Men's Rights" isn't one strand of a wider movement. It is the wider movement itself. I can and do dislike individual members, offshoots or ideologies within it.

BLM is an offshoot of the wider Civil Rights and Women's Rights movements. And I support both of those wider movements.

Anyway, you guys go back to arguing about your next President.

Xurtio · 06-02-2016, 01:45 PM

"all lives matter" is a bit apologetic and reactionary.

the slogan "black lives matter" isn't saying "other lives don't matter". It's saying "why are we being treated like lesser valued life than others? we matter too!"

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	You don't support Black Lives Matter who campaigns against, among other things, racial inequality in US prisons, yet you slam the Clinton's over blacks in prison? mind blown You are a paradox. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

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Xurtio Brain Licker Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 1,083	"all lives matter" is a bit apologetic and reactionary. the slogan "black lives matter" isn't saying "other lives don't matter". It's saying "why are we being treated like lesser valued life than others? we matter too!" __________________ H̓̇̅̉yͤ͏mͬ͂ͧn͑̽̽̌ͪ̑͐͟o̴͊̈́͑̇m͛͌̓ͦ̑aͫ̽ͤ̇n̅̎͐̒ͫ͐c̆ͯͫ̋ ̔̃́eͯ͒rͬͬ̄҉