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**Goofle** · 05-17-2016, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

@ number one: holy poorly translated and paraphrased religious texts, Batman! You should read it so you can see that even the verses that remain violent in context and in translation are dwarfed by the softer sides of Islam in the Quran.

Okay, I'll assume you know that to be true. If it is, then why are there Ex and current practicing Muslims calling for a reform of the faith? If it's generally peaceful, how come we see a much larger percentage of Muslims being fundamentalists as opposed to Christians.

We can sit here for days with a whiteboard going over the "Good" and "Bad" parts of the Quran, but you surely can't tell me that you are not aware that there's clearly elements of the teachings that promote bad ideas and actions within it's believers.

Also, there are many different versions of the Quran. Some do not include the violence, some include more of it.

kibbeh · 05-17-2016, 07:25 PM

actually, i know the quran quite well. there are a lot of peaceful parts. and there are a lot of violent parts. the violent parts usually are taken out of context though. which makes them sound much worse than they actually are.

that's the reason i stopped believing actually. it's full of contradictions. it teaches you that god is merciful and forgives everything and then says you will go to hell if you do this or that.

i personally though don't think christianity or any other religion for that matter is any better. they're all hypocritical.

**Frownland** · 05-17-2016, 07:25 PM

Obviously because the ambiguity in the archaic Arabic needs clarifying for a bunch of people in their religion like Isis who take a similarly literalist (and sometimes lateral) approach to reading the Quran to thereligionofpeace.com. That was a very easy question to answer.

kibbeh · 05-17-2016, 07:28 PM

the quran, if you read it in arabic, is like one really long poem that just tells a lot of different stories.

i don't believe it was meant to be taken literally. i believe it was more symbolic. the arabic language uses a lot of symbolism.

that's just my personal opinion.

Zhanteimi · 05-17-2016, 07:32 PM

I've heard that the latter part abrogates the former in the Qur'an, and the latter part is more violent than the former.

kibbeh · 05-17-2016, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mordwyr

I've heard that the latter part abrogates the former in the Qur'an, and the latter part is more violent than the former.

i must say, i have never heard of that. but then again i was always doodling and never paid attention in islamic class.

**Frownland** · 05-17-2016, 07:37 PM

It'd be especially curious since it's organized by length, not chronology or content. I could see that being the case with the hadiths though, since those are chronological and were heavily politicized given that Mohammad was dead.

kibbeh · 05-17-2016, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

It'd be especially curious since it's organized by length, not chronology or content.

good point! i forgot about that.

Paul Smeenus · 05-17-2016, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pansy gayboy 69

i personally though don't think christianity or any other religion for that matter is any better. they're all hypocritical.

I've been saying exactly this for my entire adult life.

djchameleon · 05-18-2016, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

1. The Quran is peaceful? Have you read it yourself? Like I said, I've only seen snippets, but I have also listened to many Ex-Muslims, religious scholars and practicing Muslims discussing the violence within it. The Quran's Verses of Violence

Yes, I have read some of it. I own a Quran and can look up verses right now if need be.

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Originally Posted by Goofle

2. I do have a problem with islam, just like I have a problem with Christianity and any other organized religion. I don't feel the need to qualify every sentence on the matter by saying "I also don't like x, x and x".

We are having a discussion so when I ask you about something then sure you do need to qualify your sentences by saying what you do and don't like about something. Why be vague and not just state your full opinions? We are having a back and forth. I'm trying to get to the bottom of what you think about things in general.

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Originally Posted by Goofle

3. I'm obviously not saying I should have free speech and Muslims should not. I don't understand how you even came to that conclusion. I'm saying I dislike the bad ideas within Islam, and the Muslims who go out and practice the bad ideas. I've already stated that I am aware of the difference between the majority of good intentioned Muslims and terrorists.

Okay, that's much clearer then. I have to say the past few posts from you didn't come across that way at all IMO.

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Originally Posted by pansy gayboy 69

actually, i know the quran quite well. there are a lot of peaceful parts. and there are a lot of violent parts. the violent parts usually are taken out of context though. which makes them sound much worse than they actually are.

This is true and the same can be said of the Bible as well. It is just a blanket thing that applies to all Holy text.

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05-17-2016, 07:25 PM	#1563 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Obviously because the ambiguity in the archaic Arabic needs clarifying for a bunch of people in their religion like Isis who take a similarly literalist (and sometimes lateral) approach to reading the Quran to thereligionofpeace.com. That was a very easy question to answer. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-17-2016, 07:37 PM	#1567 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	It'd be especially curious since it's organized by length, not chronology or content. I could see that being the case with the hadiths though, since those are chronological and were heavily politicized given that Mohammad was dead. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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kibbeh kibbeh Join Date: May 2016 Location: nowhere Posts: 648	actually, i know the quran quite well. there are a lot of peaceful parts. and there are a lot of violent parts. the violent parts usually are taken out of context though. which makes them sound much worse than they actually are. that's the reason i stopped believing actually. it's full of contradictions. it teaches you that god is merciful and forgives everything and then says you will go to hell if you do this or that. i personally though don't think christianity or any other religion for that matter is any better. they're all hypocritical.

05-17-2016, 07:28 PM	#1564 (permalink)
kibbeh kibbeh Join Date: May 2016 Location: nowhere Posts: 648	the quran, if you read it in arabic, is like one really long poem that just tells a lot of different stories. i don't believe it was meant to be taken literally. i believe it was more symbolic. the arabic language uses a lot of symbolism. that's just my personal opinion.

05-17-2016, 07:32 PM	#1565 (permalink)
Zhanteimi Mord Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Tokyo Posts: 4,873	I've heard that the latter part abrogates the former in the Qur'an, and the latter part is more violent than the former.