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Key · 05-06-2016, 12:49 PM

^I appreciate that you did actually make a list I think your first point is a bit of a cheap cop out. So what if he's old? Age shouldn't matter if he can get things done. Onto your other points, you have to keep in mind that he wants to ensure that the taxes we are paying are going to something better as opposed to what they're going for now. Also so what if he hasn't had any executive experience. We survived Bush for 8 years and if you tell me he was experienced, then I'd laugh.

Bernie to me is what he seems to other peope, a revolutionary. Obviously in the past years, the current system doesn't work. If it's changed, you can't know now whether or not it will work. What you can do though is accept the fact that the country does not work in its current form, and Bernie is the only one willing to change that.

Paul Smeenus · 05-06-2016, 01:10 PM

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1) He is old. Not a lot, but he certainly looks much older than anyone else running.

Do you thing you could keep up with Bernie at the pace he's running this race? I'm only 58 and & couldn't. Besides, that has nothing to do with integrity.

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2) He has little executive experience. He has been in Congress, but never held leadership roles. He served as Chair of the Senate VA Committee for 2 years. Before Congress, he was mayor of Burlington, VT, a town of 42k.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. But again, has nothing to do with integrity, which was *your* premise I responded to.

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3) He greatly wants to expand government spending and increase taxes. While I think his goals are laudable, I think he is outside what most people would be comfortable with. Bernie Sanders's single-payer plan is almost twice as expensive as he says

Again, your opinion, and again, no bearing on integrity.

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4) He wants large tax increases. That may be necessary, but the last time Democrats ran a nominee who called for large tax increases was in 1984. Mondale was right, Reagan did raise taxes in 1986, but Reagan won 49 states because of it, including Vermont.

Are you seeing a pattern here? Strawman as the day is long. So again, no bearing on integrity. That was your original premise, you claimed, correctly 99% of the time, that politicians were all corrupt, I pointed out Bernie isn't

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5) He is not a member of the Democratic Party. He is listed as an Independent, but he is actually a member of the Socialist Party.

No he isn't. Social Democrats =/= Socialists. That was just plain pulled out of your butt. And still not germane to your original contention that politicians are corrupt.

The Batlord · 05-06-2016, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

1) He is old. Not a lot, but he certainly looks much older than anyone else running.
2) He has little executive experience. He has been in Congress, but never held leadership roles. He served as Chair of the Senate VA Committee for 2 years. Before Congress, he was mayor of Burlington, VT, a town of 42k.
3) He greatly wants to expand government spending and increase taxes. While I think his goals are laudable, I think he is outside what most people would be comfortable with. Bernie Sanders's single-payer plan is almost twice as expensive as he says
4) He wants large tax increases. That may be necessary, but the last time Democrats ran a nominee who called for large tax increases was in 1984. Mondale was right, Reagan did raise taxes in 1986, but Reagan won 49 states because of it, including Vermont.
5) He is not a member of the Democratic Party. He is listed as an Independent, but he is actually a member of the Socialist Party.

Man, what a corrupt bastard. I wouldn't trust him with my goldfish. Come on, man. I know you're trying to summon up some enthusiasm FOR a candidate rather than AGAINST one, but you know Hillary is just another garbage politician. Is she the worst? No. Probably. But she's not someone to get excited over in any way, shape, or form.

Chula Vista · 05-06-2016, 02:13 PM

When all of you stop sucking Bernie's dick, let's get back to reality.

1. Old people? You have to worry because if they die the next in line holds the key.

2. Surviving Bush for 8 years should never, ever be used as any measuring stick for anything. That **** was ****ed.

3. Smeenus. **** your straw-man counterargument. What's with all of this integrity BS?

4. Bat: She doesn't excite me in any way, shape, or form. Have you watched House of Cards?
She has a chance of getting **** done. Bernie? No ****ing way. The establishment (we built it no matter how hard we wanna deny it) hate him.

Xurtio · 05-06-2016, 02:20 PM

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The Batlord · 05-06-2016, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

When all of you stop sucking Bernie's dick, let's get back to reality.

I'm assuming you're not talking to me.

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1. Old people? You have to worry because if they die the next in line holds the key.

Totally agree. He's 74-years-old. He might not be on death's door, but electing him would still be a roll of the dice. And anyone who thinks that an 80-year-old is going to run for President during the next election (or an 84-year-old during the next, next election), needs a reality check.

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3. Smeenus. **** your straw-man counterargument. What's with all of this integrity BS?

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Where did all of the "mistrust" for Hillary stem from? What's the basis for it?

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4. Bat: She doesn't excite me in any way, shape, or form. Have you watched House of Cards? She has a chance of getting **** done. Bernie? No ****ing way. The establishment (we built it no matter how hard we wanna deny it) hate him.

I agree. He'd be a lame duck quite possibly from the day he was inaugurated, but she's still a continuation of the downward spiral that is paralyzing this country's political system. I can sympathize with people who support Trump for not being part of that system (though I can't throw my support behind him). If we keep electing people like Hillary, Democrat or Republican, our country is going to simply limp slowly towards inevitable decline.

**Frownland** · 05-06-2016, 02:23 PM

^74+8=80?

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

When all of you stop sucking Bernie's dick, let's get back to reality.

1. Old people? You have to worry because if they die the next in line holds the key.

2. Surviving Bush for 8 years should never, ever be used as any measuring stick for anything. That **** was ****ed.

3. Smeenus. **** your straw-man counterargument. What's with all of this integrity BS?

4. Bat: She doesn't excite me in any way, shape, or form. Have you watched House of Cards?
She has a chance of getting **** done. Bernie? No ****ing way. The establishment (we built it no matter how hard we wanna deny it) hate him.

That must be difficult to say with Hillary's dick in your mouth. Bernie is only six years older than her btw.

The Batlord · 05-06-2016, 02:27 PM

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^74+8=80?

Chula Vista · 05-06-2016, 02:31 PM

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Bernie is only six years older than her btw.

Six years is an entire term and a half. Put them side by side and he looks really ****ing old by comparison.

FACT.

I don't like Hillary. Actually can't stand her. But she's our best bet as the next President of the USA based on everything else that's available.

Politics sucks. But we really have no choice. Unless you choose apathy and then scream from the sidelines.

**Frownland** · 05-06-2016, 02:36 PM

It's not that massive of a difference give me a break. I don't really want Goldman Sachs as president, even if their policy is better than Trump's.

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	When all of you stop sucking Bernie's dick, let's get back to reality. 1. Old people? You have to worry because if they die the next in line holds the key. 2. Surviving Bush for 8 years should never, ever be used as any measuring stick for anything. That ** was ed. 3. Smeenus. your straw-man counterargument. What's with all of this integrity BS? 4. Bat: She doesn't excite me in any way, shape, or form. Have you watched House of Cards? She has a chance of getting done. Bernie? No **ing way. The establishment (we built it no matter how hard we wanna deny it) hate him. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

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05-06-2016, 12:49 PM	#1091 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	^I appreciate that you did actually make a list I think your first point is a bit of a cheap cop out. So what if he's old? Age shouldn't matter if he can get things done. Onto your other points, you have to keep in mind that he wants to ensure that the taxes we are paying are going to something better as opposed to what they're going for now. Also so what if he hasn't had any executive experience. We survived Bush for 8 years and if you tell me he was experienced, then I'd laugh. Bernie to me is what he seems to other peope, a revolutionary. Obviously in the past years, the current system doesn't work. If it's changed, you can't know now whether or not it will work. What you can do though is accept the fact that the country does not work in its current form, and Bernie is the only one willing to change that.