donald trump 4 prez

The Batlord · 05-06-2016, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

When all of you stop sucking Bernie's dick, let's get back to reality.

I'm assuming you're not talking to me.

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1. Old people? You have to worry because if they die the next in line holds the key.

Totally agree. He's 74-years-old. He might not be on death's door, but electing him would still be a roll of the dice. And anyone who thinks that an 80-year-old is going to run for President during the next election (or an 84-year-old during the next, next election), needs a reality check.

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3. Smeenus. **** your straw-man counterargument. What's with all of this integrity BS?

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Where did all of the "mistrust" for Hillary stem from? What's the basis for it?

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4. Bat: She doesn't excite me in any way, shape, or form. Have you watched House of Cards? She has a chance of getting **** done. Bernie? No ****ing way. The establishment (we built it no matter how hard we wanna deny it) hate him.

I agree. He'd be a lame duck quite possibly from the day he was inaugurated, but she's still a continuation of the downward spiral that is paralyzing this country's political system. I can sympathize with people who support Trump for not being part of that system (though I can't throw my support behind him). If we keep electing people like Hillary, Democrat or Republican, our country is going to simply limp slowly towards inevitable decline.

**Frownland** · 05-06-2016, 01:23 PM

^74+8=80?

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

When all of you stop sucking Bernie's dick, let's get back to reality.

1. Old people? You have to worry because if they die the next in line holds the key.

2. Surviving Bush for 8 years should never, ever be used as any measuring stick for anything. That **** was ****ed.

3. Smeenus. **** your straw-man counterargument. What's with all of this integrity BS?

4. Bat: She doesn't excite me in any way, shape, or form. Have you watched House of Cards?
She has a chance of getting **** done. Bernie? No ****ing way. The establishment (we built it no matter how hard we wanna deny it) hate him.

That must be difficult to say with Hillary's dick in your mouth. Bernie is only six years older than her btw.

Isbjørn · 05-06-2016, 02:02 PM

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2) He has little executive experience. He has been in Congress, but never held leadership roles. He served as Chair of the Senate VA Committee for 2 years. Before Congress, he was mayor of Burlington, VT, a town of 42k.

Is experience necessarily a good thing? Hillary Clinton may have more "experience" then Bernie Sanders, but that "experience" involved things such as bombing Libya to pieces against the UN mandate, allowing ISIL to take control over large parts of the country.

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3) He greatly wants to expand government spending and increase taxes. While I think his goals are laudable, I think he is outside what most people would be comfortable with. Bernie Sanders's single-payer plan is almost twice as expensive as he says
4) He wants large tax increases. That may be necessary, but the last time Democrats ran a nominee who called for large tax increases was in 1984. Mondale was right, Reagan did raise taxes in 1986, but Reagan won 49 states because of it, including Vermont.

Taxes should certainly be raised - for millionaires, billionaires and multi-national corporations.

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5) He is not a member of the Democratic Party. He is listed as an Independent, but he is actually a member of the Socialist Party.

Do you have a source for that last bit? And how is it relevant?

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1. Old people? You have to worry because if they die the next in line holds the key.

So people should vote for some terrible politician because this decent one is old? Even if he does die mid-term, he'll still have a vice-president to take over.

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3. Smeenus. **** your straw-man counterargument. What's with all of this integrity BS?

In a representative democracy, people should be able to trust their representatives.

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She has a chance of getting **** done. Bernie? No ****ing way. The establishment (we built it no matter how hard we wanna deny it) hate him.

Which **** is she able to get done that Bernie Sanders isn't? It can't be very good, if the establishment supports it.

The Batlord · 05-06-2016, 02:05 PM

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Is experience necessarily a good thing?

YES!!! The fact that you would ask that question is ridiculous. Knowing how to do your job is most definitely a feather in your cap. Jesus Christ, you ****ing fifteen-year-old.

**Frownland** · 05-06-2016, 02:08 PM

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YES!!! The fact that you would ask that question is ridiculous. Knowing how to do your job is most definitely a feather in your cap. Jesus Christ, you ****ing fifteen-year-old.

Ja gonna have to agree on that one. However, legislative versus executive experience are not all that different.

**Frownland** · 05-06-2016, 11:47 AM

And you don't trust him because of all of that? I don't trust old people either.

Key · 05-06-2016, 11:49 AM

^I appreciate that you did actually make a list I think your first point is a bit of a cheap cop out. So what if he's old? Age shouldn't matter if he can get things done. Onto your other points, you have to keep in mind that he wants to ensure that the taxes we are paying are going to something better as opposed to what they're going for now. Also so what if he hasn't had any executive experience. We survived Bush for 8 years and if you tell me he was experienced, then I'd laugh.

Bernie to me is what he seems to other peope, a revolutionary. Obviously in the past years, the current system doesn't work. If it's changed, you can't know now whether or not it will work. What you can do though is accept the fact that the country does not work in its current form, and Bernie is the only one willing to change that.

Xurtio · 05-06-2016, 01:20 PM

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**Frownland** · 05-06-2016, 01:36 PM

It's not that massive of a difference give me a break. I don't really want Goldman Sachs as president, even if their policy is better than Trump's.

Chula Vista · 05-06-2016, 01:38 PM

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I don't really want Goldman Sachs as president, even if their policy is better than Trump's.

You've never been a cliche sort of guy from what I can tell in my time here.

Why start now?

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05-06-2016, 11:49 AM	#7 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	^I appreciate that you did actually make a list I think your first point is a bit of a cheap cop out. So what if he's old? Age shouldn't matter if he can get things done. Onto your other points, you have to keep in mind that he wants to ensure that the taxes we are paying are going to something better as opposed to what they're going for now. Also so what if he hasn't had any executive experience. We survived Bush for 8 years and if you tell me he was experienced, then I'd laugh. Bernie to me is what he seems to other peope, a revolutionary. Obviously in the past years, the current system doesn't work. If it's changed, you can't know now whether or not it will work. What you can do though is accept the fact that the country does not work in its current form, and Bernie is the only one willing to change that.