guns

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-11-2015, 04:28 PM

this is what i think about guns

basically i think guns are cool and you can kill people with them and they make loud noises and **** and you look gangster when you're holding one. so i think guns should be allowed.

but since it's a society, i feel you need to have rules. and since it's a highly complex, high-tech society, i feel you need to basically have a pretty robust surveillance state. so i honestly think that guns should be tracked more accurately. i think the major problems with guns in america could be clamped down on if there were simply more accountability for owning a gun.

my thought is... they should make a database so that any time anyone buys a gun. their name and info goes into this database and is linked with the serial number of that weapon. and they should do a basic ballistics fingerprint on each gun sold so that if someone turns up shot, they can look at the fingerprint and search the database for the gun that matches that fingerprint. then the database can link that gun to its legal owner.

now, i know there's some registration involved in purchasing guns in america but i don't think there's a national database, cause i think the NRA rallies against that idea pretty heavily. i could be wrong. correct me if i am.

but i think that if you had it set up so there was a single national entity that was responsible for monitoring the distribution of arms in the country, and this entity managed that database, it could work something like this.

when a store buys a gun from a manufacturer, it enters the system as a registered weapon. then the store is responsible for maintaining that weapon in the system until it is purchased by someone else. then, the gun is updated in the system under the customer's name. the owner of the gun is then obligated to check in with the registry office every few years or so, with the physical weapon in hand, to verify they still maintain ownership of it and the serial number still matches etc.

if the gun is stolen/lost, they have the legal responsibility to report that to the registry office as soon as possible. multiple instances of lost/stolen weapons from one individual would raise a red flag and trigger the security state to start investigating that person.

the reason i say all this is cause to my understanding, the main issue is illegal guns which leak from the legal market to the illegal market and then get sold to criminals. if you had a system where someone was always held accountable for maintaining possession of a weapon from the point of manufacturing it to its destruction... it's kind of hard to imagine how criminals would get around this system to get guns without a) smuggling them in from other countries or b) manufacturing them illegally. so yea.. you'd still the police to fight against these means of criminals obtaining weapons... but you'd at least significantly reduce their task of managing illegal weapons since you at least narrowed down the inflow of new illegal weapons to these two sources.

thoughts....? 是否有任何身体护理？

DwnWthVwls · 06-11-2015, 04:37 PM

I don't think holding innocent people accountable will make it any harder for criminals and people who shouldn't own guns to get them. Would have helped if that was done when guns first started being distributed, it's wayyy to late now. That has about as much of a chance of working as the war on drugs.

**Frownland** · 06-11-2015, 04:45 PM

Wow, a gun discussion on the internet. You've been incredibly inventive lately, JWB.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-11-2015, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I don't think holding innocent people accountable will make it any harder for criminals and people who shouldn't own guns to get them. Would have helped if that was done when guns first started being distributed, it's wayyy to late now. That has about as much of a chance of working as the war on drugs.

well drugs are mostly smuggled/manufactured illegally

where as guns are mostly manufactured legally and then leaked onto the black market due to **** laws. i think there's a good reason for that. namely, the easiest way to make money right now in the illegal gun racket is to exploit the lax gun laws of the united states. which is why guns that are manufactured legally here in the united states actually end up getting smuggled out of the country to mexico for the cartels to use.

so i think that by definition would make it harder for criminals because it removes their major source of access.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-11-2015, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland

Wow, a gun discussion on the internet. You've been incredibly inventive lately, JWB.

we can't all be innovators like you, frownland. now go record yourself playing with some bamboo sticks and slap a goofy title on it and call it your new album, dedicated in my honor.

**Exo** · 06-11-2015, 05:10 PM

Like anything that can potentially kill you or another person, have respect for it and be a responsible adult. I don't have problems with people owning guns. I have problems with assh*les/lunatics/scumbags/idiots owning guns. Unfortunately the amount of guns in this country has lead to our now new and shiny police state. If you think that the police in this country are out of control for just drug and racial reasons, your opinion is wrong. Guns are a huge issue for police officers because they're basically trained to suspect that every single person should be handled as if they have a gun until you're 100% certain they don't. That's a problem. That's how people get shot for reaching for their ID.

I think if you want to own guns, you should be able too. I also think that the process of getting a gun should have a lot more depth and requirements. Get the illegal guns off the streets and get the legal ones in the hands of responsible people.

**Frownland** · 06-11-2015, 05:11 PM

How did you know I picked up bamboo stalks recently for my music? Seriously.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-11-2015, 05:45 PM

because i'm god

DwnWthVwls · 06-11-2015, 06:02 PM

If it were up to me the only guns people would have would be for hunting. You don't need a handgun for fun or self protection. I also don't think they are cool and I have no interest in them, so of course my opinion is heavily biased. I don't like it therefore no one should have it. I'm generally open to people doing things I don't like or even agree with but guns are just stupid to me, I'd be fine with forcing everyone to only hunt with bows. Bows are awesome.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-11-2015, 06:08 PM

nah.. i bet it's awesome to shoot a gun

06-11-2015, 04:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	guns this is what i think about guns basically i think guns are cool and you can kill people with them and they make loud noises and **** and you look gangster when you're holding one. so i think guns should be allowed. but since it's a society, i feel you need to have rules. and since it's a highly complex, high-tech society, i feel you need to basically have a pretty robust surveillance state. so i honestly think that guns should be tracked more accurately. i think the major problems with guns in america could be clamped down on if there were simply more accountability for owning a gun. my thought is... they should make a database so that any time anyone buys a gun. their name and info goes into this database and is linked with the serial number of that weapon. and they should do a basic ballistics fingerprint on each gun sold so that if someone turns up shot, they can look at the fingerprint and search the database for the gun that matches that fingerprint. then the database can link that gun to its legal owner. now, i know there's some registration involved in purchasing guns in america but i don't think there's a national database, cause i think the NRA rallies against that idea pretty heavily. i could be wrong. correct me if i am. but i think that if you had it set up so there was a single national entity that was responsible for monitoring the distribution of arms in the country, and this entity managed that database, it could work something like this. when a store buys a gun from a manufacturer, it enters the system as a registered weapon. then the store is responsible for maintaining that weapon in the system until it is purchased by someone else. then, the gun is updated in the system under the customer's name. the owner of the gun is then obligated to check in with the registry office every few years or so, with the physical weapon in hand, to verify they still maintain ownership of it and the serial number still matches etc. if the gun is stolen/lost, they have the legal responsibility to report that to the registry office as soon as possible. multiple instances of lost/stolen weapons from one individual would raise a red flag and trigger the security state to start investigating that person. the reason i say all this is cause to my understanding, the main issue is illegal guns which leak from the legal market to the illegal market and then get sold to criminals. if you had a system where someone was always held accountable for maintaining possession of a weapon from the point of manufacturing it to its destruction... it's kind of hard to imagine how criminals would get around this system to get guns without a) smuggling them in from other countries or b) manufacturing them illegally. so yea.. you'd still the police to fight against these means of criminals obtaining weapons... but you'd at least significantly reduce their task of managing illegal weapons since you at least narrowed down the inflow of new illegal weapons to these two sources. thoughts....? 是否有任何身体护理？

06-11-2015, 04:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Wow, a gun discussion on the internet. You've been incredibly inventive lately, JWB. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

06-11-2015, 05:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
Exo All day jazz and biscuits Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 7,354	Like anything that can potentially kill you or another person, have respect for it and be a responsible adult. I don't have problems with people owning guns. I have problems with asshles/lunatics/scumbags/idiots owning guns. Unfortunately the amount of guns in this country has lead to our now new and shiny police state. If you think that the police in this country are out of control for just drug and racial reasons, your opinion is wrong. Guns are a huge issue for police officers because they're basically trained to suspect that every single person should be handled as if they have a gun until you're 100% certain they don't. That's a problem. That's how people get shot for reaching for their ID. I think if you want to own guns, you should be able too. I also think that the process of getting a gun should have a lot more depth and requirements. Get the illegal guns off the streets and get the legal ones in the hands of responsible people. __________________ LastFM SUPREME POO BAH MODERATOR EXTRAORDINAIRE*

06-11-2015, 05:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	How did you know I picked up bamboo stalks recently for my music? Seriously. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

06-11-2015, 05:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	because i'm god

06-11-2015, 06:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	nah.. i bet it's awesome to shoot a gun