Xurtio

Paranoia? Try laziness :p

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John Wilkes Booth

uhh, yea i'd say maybe have a another, much less stringent registry for them to make it easier for historical places etc... and then if they actually manifested as a real problem then you'd probably start addressing them and and add them to the main registry as well. dunno to me it doesn't seem like a major concern.

they strait up banned guns in several countries like uk and ****... you don't see musket drive bys going down over there too much do you?

John Wilkes Booth

the incentive to get registered mostly comes from the fact that having an unregistered firearm would be a crime, and if caught with one you'd be charged.

obviously there are tons of guns out there that we will have to deal with regardless. i'm not saying this system fixes all gun problems

but it aims to stop the flow of new illegal weapons from the legal market. which i would consider a pretty big improvement.

edit - yea i'm fine with background checks... but iirc the newton kid used his mothers guns to go on that rampage. really this system isn't designed to address the mass shooting phenomenon. cause i really don't think there is a way to stop people like that from going off randomly. or at least not that i can think of... feel free if anyone else has any ideas about that.

the registry/database/accountability system thing i'm talking about is aimed more at limiting the potential of the criminal underworld to arm themselves. i mean look at what's happening in chicago.

Chula Vista

Point being that even in the immediate wake of that horrendous event the country couldn't collectively get behind perfectly common sense gun legislation. I remember how the numbers went in the weeks following. Immediately after a large percentage were for universal checks and the politicians jumped on board. Then with each passing week the numbers quickly plummeted and the politos quickly started backing away.

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The Batlord

You're taking something that directly affected about twenty people in a nation of 300 million, and saying we should enact national policy because of it. I'm all for universal checks and all that good business, but I don't base my stance on gun control around isolated incidents.

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Chula Vista

Nah, that affected a hell of a lot of people to varying degrees. Pretty much every parent of a young child was a bit messed up over that. Hell, f*cked me up for a while afterwards. Mainly wondering how the kid was able to get so screwed up unchecked to the point of snapping like that.

But I get what you're saying.

Point being movements will try to gain ground based on flash point incidents. And it's worked quite a few times in the past.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

John Wilkes Booth

to me it's a bit sad/shameful how we rally around these flash points

meanwhile 11,000 people are murdered a every year with guns in the US

the vast majority of whom are killed in ordinary domestic disputes/gangland murders

that's the one thing soulflower & co have got right imo... to the media, black lives don't matter

unless a particular black murder can be used to stir up racial tensions, cause that brings in big ratings

fiddler

JWB: the interesting part is that just about everything you're proposing is already in place to some extent. For instance possessing an unregistered firearm is a crime, and it's a parole violation. A background check is ran on everyone attempting to purchase a firearm. In NC it's a two day wait period.

The truth is that fanatics like the NRA steams from your second amendment right to "A well armed militia necessary for the security of the free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." They take the bear arms part and forget the militia part. I think that the two are dependent on one another, otherwise they would have made it a separate amendment or so. In these modern times, do we really need a militia? Apparently so according to the people in Michigan think so as they maintain a militia.

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grindy

In Germany there's a law that says guns have to be kept in a safe at all times, and it has to be a serious safe, nothing you can open with just a little key. There was a school shooting a few years ago, where it turned out that the perpetrator's father didn't secure the guns as well as he should have and if I remember correctly he got sued the **** out of him.

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