John Wilkes Booth

you mean to tell me most criminals don't rat out their friends/gun connects?

that's crazy lol

fiddler

Probably because illegally purchasing a firearm for someone/having someone purchase one for you is a higher charge and would get your buddy in trouble too. And snitching is frowned upon in the criminal community. The way most criminals think is that you're going down for the possession of the weapon, why get your buddy in trouble too because that'll probably get you stabbed. Also criminal possession of a firearm is generally considered a misdemeanor (not always) whilst criminal purchasing of a firearm is a felony.

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John Wilkes Booth

yea i was being facetious

fiddler

Yeah, I know, sarcasm. Statistically the ATF probably hits the nail on the head. Experience wise? I've never encountered someone who had acquired a fire arm in that manner.

So what do you propose we do?

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John Wilkes Booth

i have to go to bed... work in a few hours.. but i'm saying basically i think the emphasis should be on trying to make it more difficult for people to possess a weapon that doesn't somehow have their name attached to it... criminal or not. i don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to have to maintain some sort of proof of possession of the weapon for as long as it is in their custody. i don't want to take away the right to own them, i just think we should try harder to manage it better.

i will brainstorm some more tomorrow and post some more **** maybe... for tonight i think i'm done though. appreciate the info though, haven't ever heard of that fbi database before... will have to learn more about how it works to see where improvements could potentially be made

fiddler

What about firearms that do not have a serial number (ex. "ancient" firearms) or firearms such as black powder weapons which are not generally considered a modern firearm and thusly don't have to be registered?

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The Batlord

I say, let the Bloods and Crips have unregistered muskets. They can line up in formation like Napoleonic soldiers and just unload salvos into each other. Gangsta.

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fiddler

I would seriously laugh my ass off at that! They can BARELY hit what they're aiming at with modern weapons (I think sheer volume v. accuracy comes into play here). I can only IMAGINE their efficienty with a weapon that is barely accurate at 50yds.

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John Wilkes Booth

lol... yea not really worried about those tbh. people can keep their unregistered muskets for all i care

the majority of homicides are carried out with (relatively) modern pistols iirc

so that'd be where the main emphasis would be to me

fiddler

Okay but a criminal can legally go buy a black powder weapon and then go shot somebody with said weapon and it will kill. I have a .44 BP pistol and .50 cal BP rifle. I go bear hunting with the .50. How hard would it be to turn it on someone and shot them?

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