Again, offering nothing to the actual discussion. Can you please say something? If you want to defend Fiddler why don't you say something to try and change my mind. I'm always open to hear differing opinions that I may not have considered.

I'm not offended at all not even a little bit. If we cannot discuss adult issues as adults, what was the point of becoming an adult? I'm not one bit offended not do I feel even the slightest bit insulted about what's been said.

Thank you for verifying that Fiddler. :D

I'm backing out. Sorry for the sidebar.

Lolwut? It's not DWV's fault that after 9/11 you decided you wanted to go kill some Arabs. And even if you didn't know what you were getting into, even if you were idealistic and really thought you were doing good, don't act like it's somehow the public's fault that the government manipulated and straight up manufactured intelligence to justify a continuation of the same kind of imperialism that caused 9/11 in the first place.

I'm not going to get into that because the public was blood thirsty and anyone who denies that isn't sure of his/her facts.

As far as policing goes, dw, morals are always involved when it comes to law. Based on what you've said, about choosing to break laws that you disagree with, the potential consequences do not worry you. So I ask this, does the law prevent you from murdering someone or does your sense of morals?

I suppose morality. I've never felt the urge to murder someone. I can admit that if I had the urge then the consequences of life in prison might be a deterrent, but I doubt it. Can't say for sure because I've never been in that situation. I've never even had the urge to cause physical harm to another individual, I just don't see how that is useful for resolving a problem.

If I was ever so enraged that I actually wanted to take another person's life then I don't think anything would stop me besides physical incapability.

Edit: Also, I don't think the public was as one sided as you make it sound. I think a lot of that had to do with where you were living. There was a lot of mixed feelings in NJ and I could see the smoke from a couple towns over.

It's kinda fun in a weird way.

Yeh, I enjoyed it when I was in the ring and it was consensual, but that was for sport.

I live in Virginia, and while we're not Alabama or Texas (http://www.atheistnetwork2.com/image...ace_smiley.png), there wasn't much thought other than getting those mother****ers, at least in the first year or so. And considering Bush had a 90% approval rating at the time, I think that's probably pretty representative of where the country was as a whole.

Honestly, the government may very well have lied about WMDs in order to get us into Iraq, but we really didn't need all that much convincing at that point. They just had to imply a terrorist connection and we were perfectly happy to not think too hard about it.